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andyclarkecncuk Sun 24 May 2009 05:29

And we have movement in the UK as well! - Bristol, UK
 
Hi, Andy here from the uk, downloaded the plans last week and now im ready to start building. Is there anybody here in the uk building one?
Thanks Andy

mphel Sun 24 May 2009 06:34

Hi Andy,
I think there are a few being built and at least one up and running. I've made a start, got all the steel, wheels (Rick- superior Bearings) Laser cut parts (M-Machine Metals- Darlington) most of the electricals, motors and rack/pinion on order.
I can give you a few pointers for uk specific items but the plans explain everything and the things that don't add-up on the first read will become much easier with the parts on a bench in front of you!
Good luck...
Mark.

andyclarkecncuk Sun 24 May 2009 07:00

Hi Mark, How much did the laser cut parts cost? also where did you source the rack from?
Thanks Andy

mphel Sun 24 May 2009 07:52

I think the Laser cut parts were about £250 but i think they were the first set they had cut and were treated as something of a loss leader, so they may be more now. If you speak to David Armstrong at M-Machine, he'll sort you out, he was very helpfull with mine.
I have the rack and pinion on order from Marchant Dice,(Kevin Marchant) around £380 for a 8x4 machine.
Hope this helps.
Mark.

andyclarkecncuk Fri 29 May 2009 01:52

Thanks for the info Mark, Ive ordered the laser cut parts which should be here soon. How have you decided to do the vee rails?. I am thinking of going for the alu with the vee rails bolted to it but not sure where to source the rails from? Also what size table are you building?
Thanks Andy

mphel Fri 29 May 2009 02:30

Andy, I'm building 8x4 table, have ground the rails with the attachment supplied in the laser cut set. I wasn't quite sure what to expect but found that it worked very well, I ground all rails in around 3 hours and I'm happy with the results!

Mark

andyclarkecncuk Mon 01 June 2009 12:31

Clearing workshop for delivery of steel
 
Hi, Andy here from uk,
I have a small joinery company and i have been intrested in a cnc router for along time but i have never really understood how they work which has always put me off.
A few weeks ago i came across this website and i am hooked :).

The main reason i have decided to build a mechmate is so that i can learn and understand everything about how it works.
I have designed my table to take 10' x 5' as i have enough room to accomodate it although i rarely use this size of board (norm 8'x4').

Anyway i ordered the laser cut parts last week and they have just arrived :) I am very pleased with the quality of the parts and bends and i can not wait to get started. I have ordered the steel which hopefully will be with me by the weekend.

Im very excited but also quite nervous as my welding skills and electrical knowelege are not the best but i do like a challenge.
I will keep you posted.
Thanks Andy

Gerald D Mon 01 June 2009 13:15

Have merged your two threads together - this could become the first documented UK build. :)

domino11 Mon 01 June 2009 13:56

Welcome Andy,
Maybe you will be the first UK serial number!

Alan_c Mon 01 June 2009 14:04

Welcome Andy, enjoy the build.

Was in Bristol 2 years back visiting my sister in Horfield, nice town but just a bit grey for us sunny Saffers :)

2e0poz Thu 11 June 2009 06:56

Hi Andy

Paul from sunny Swindon here just up the road. I have just joined today so still looking around. I'm in the middle of collection parts for my machine and hope to use a lot of the ideas found here. Not sure on the size yet but keep in touch.

Paul

andyclarkecncuk Wed 24 June 2009 09:47

Just thought i would update on my progress, i have all the steel here ready, all the laser cut parts, gecko 203v x 4, pdmx 122, computer with mach3, enclosure, vee bearings, PK296AE-SG7.2 motors, LAPP cables, bolts etc.
All i need to do now is order the electrical parts and start putting it all together.
My wife is going away for 2 weeks to visit family on Saturday so i will have sometime to make some progress :).
I have also decided to grind my own rails as i brought unequal angle in 60x30x6 so just need to skim top edge and then apply angles (hopefully).
Anyway i will take photos and start posting next week once i work out how to post them.

P.s Just wandering if anybody has ordered steel and forgot to add on the extra 420mm?:):)

Gerald D Wed 24 June 2009 10:41

What luck to get 60x30x6 as standard! Don't to aim for the 28mm on the drawing.....just skim the top until you get a 1mm wide band in the center. (it will wider than 1mm, but off-center, carry on till you go 0.5mm over the center line)

andyclarkecncuk Wed 24 June 2009 11:56

Gerald,
I could not beleive it either! Also got parrallel flange steel so no need for tapered washers.
I think i may have overdone the sizes of the sections for the cross bearers and main frame, but at least if i get broken into it should still be there looking at me in the morning!.
The delivery ticket states .76 ton.

andyclarkecncuk Sun 28 June 2009 03:23

some pics
 
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andyclarkecncuk Sun 28 June 2009 03:40

Hi, sorry if the photos are a bit mixed up, not really sure how to attch them. The laser cut parts fit together so well but as you can see from the pic the two end plates are not a pair ie they are the same hand does this matter?
Thanks Andy

andyclarkecncuk Sun 28 June 2009 11:35

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Gerald D Sun 28 June 2009 11:52

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Originally Posted by andyclarkecncuk View Post
the two end plates are not a pair ie they are the same hand does this matter?
No problem if they are the same hand.

I can't figure out how you are getting these picture posting problems. Can you tell me what your recipe is, so that I can try and figure out where the problem lies?

Nice progress by the way!

andyclarkecncuk Sun 28 June 2009 12:09

Hi Gerald, Im using the "go advanced" them uploading them and then cutting and pasting the file?
Thanks Andy

Gerald D Sun 28 June 2009 13:30

Yes, you need the "Go Advanced" then "Upload", but no further cut/paste. After the upload, it is already attached to the post - look at the preview at that point. . . .

andyclarkecncuk Sun 28 June 2009 13:42

Ah.. Ok thanks. Lets hope i can operate this machine better than i can post pics:)

bradm Sun 28 June 2009 18:39

That picture of the laser cut steel seems a little odd to me:

You have a total of seven gantry stiffeners, and I'd expect three plus the one with the cable chain mount.

You have one of the two pieces of the skate.

I'd expect three of the four motor mounts to have a slot, not just two. Also, the ovals are in strange positions.

Are you doing some interesting customizations?

MattyZee Sun 28 June 2009 18:51

It looks to me like you ordered the entire list of parts, both economic and full options. Hence both versions of the gantry stiffeners, both motor mount styles etc.???

MattyZee Sun 28 June 2009 18:52

And as Gerald said, excellent progress! looking good.

andyclarkecncuk Mon 29 June 2009 00:52

Bradm, Yes the company i brought the laser parts from supply the full set then just dont use what you dont need. Maybe a bit wastefull. Also the other part of the skate was on the floor having the mounting holes welded as they did not fit any of my grinders.

It maybe a good idea to leave these holes and let the user drill there own to suit there grinder.

Thanks Andy

andyclarkecncuk Mon 29 June 2009 00:53

Its amazing how small the frame looks in the pics. It is huge!
Andy

andyclarkecncuk Mon 29 June 2009 16:20

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Hi, I have not got a metal chop saw so this is how i have been cutting everything square. When it gets a bit worn i just true it back up on the crosscut. I also screwed a stop on the back for repetitive cuts.

andyclarkecncuk Mon 29 June 2009 16:29

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I didnt get a great deal done today as work is busy but i did manage to fit bracing and also tidy up the ends of the channels.

Im not sure if i should drill for the rails and them disassemble and paint the main frame or just keep going and then disassemble at the end?
Seems to me that it could take quite sometime to shim rails and then have to do it again after painting?
Thanks Andy

Doug_Ford Mon 29 June 2009 19:22

BEAUTIFUL corner Andy! Great work.

I felt the same way so I left the rails in place and painted after I shimmed them. I didn't want to go through the shimming and straightening process again.

Gerald D Mon 29 June 2009 22:55

Ah, true British ingenuity & workmanship, in the mold of Rolls Royce . . . :)

Our sequence is to bulk paint before assembly / drilling / tapping / shimming and then to touch up scars at the end.

andyclarkecncuk Sun 05 July 2009 08:11

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Hi, Here are a few more photos of the table with paint on.
I managed to grind the rails this week and im glad they are now done. The skate works great. I was a little worried how they would come out but they are perfect. Its better to angle the disk so it cuts down as if it cuts up the burr on the top edge can stop the skate moving freely. Also keep wiping down the sides of the rail stops the bearings getting tight.

One of the rails had a small kink in it about 50mm long which i did not notice untill i was grinding it then i could feel it with the skate. I filled the hollow side with chemical metal and sanded straight and ground the lump off the opposite side which worked well and saved me buying another lenght of angle.

Shiming bolted tables
Its amasing what you can do with a few shims!
One of my X beams had a bend in it about 3' from the end approx 2mm out.
When bolting the table back together after painting i placed shims in the bolted joints and ive managed to pull the beam straight. It does take alot of time to get it right but it is well worth it. You can adjust how much you want to bend it by adding or removing shims, easy to remove shims with a magnet if you find it bends too much when you retighten the joint.
Note this can alter the y dimention slightly.

Next week i plan to get the gantry and y car finished then start to look at the electrics:eek:
Ive been reading alot of posts on the proxies but it still is not very clear to me, so if anyone has any advise on how to go about wiring them please let me know.
Thanks Andy

Gerald D Sun 05 July 2009 10:24

Great work Andy!

Yeah, we need to summarise that proxy thread - it is too daunting now.

Doug_Ford Sun 05 July 2009 17:41

You are a true craftsman Andy.

I don't know if Gerald and Sean_D are using proxies on their new machines but for a long time they didn't have them. Since Gerald has been right about everything else, I took his word for it when he said I didn't necessarily need them. I've been running my machine for months and haven't felt like I needed them at all. However, I would like something that helps set the Z axis. Just haven't gotten around to adding it yet.

Gerald D Sun 05 July 2009 23:31

We are not using any switches at present, and not feeling a real inclination to actually fit some. (But the mounting brackets are in place . . . )

Kobus_Joubert Mon 06 July 2009 01:45

I have the same feeling....never needed it. You know where you will start, you know how big your material is, so I have never run off the rails or into clamps. Just takes some practice and a clear mind when setting up.
Further I agree with Dough, that a Z-Zero is helpfull since you do change from one bit to the next and have to Zero the z-axis in between a job.

javeria Mon 06 July 2009 04:58

Well we need inputs from the guys who have it as well - :)

I feel its worth the small investment - I particularly find use when there is a power outage and I need to rehome and restart -

really I don't know how I would do without them -

The Auto tool zero is such a great tool - - cannot do without it now!

bradm Mon 06 July 2009 10:21

My MechMate doubles as a work table in my shop when it's not in use. This makes the proxies valuable for re-zeroing the machine before use, because every use is essentially a re-commissioning of the machine.

If the machine were in constant use, I'd probably almost never use the proxies, although I'd definitely use the Z Zero plate. So I think I'd prioritize getting a work zeroing plate or fixture higher that getting the limit switch proxies going.


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