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jessyjames Mon 06 December 2010 22:54

Wayne just curious of what bit you are using? Looks like a .0625" bit. Please let us know if you don't mind.

Thanks in advance,
James

Rad Racer Mon 06 December 2010 23:38

Yes, I used a .0625 (1/16") carbide endmill.

jehayes Wed 05 January 2011 12:56

Wayne: Thanks for the tips on doing inlays. When you make the inlay, how do you cut it, i.e., do you cut it into a solid block and then saw the block to release the inlay, or do you use the MM to profile cut it from thin stock, or some other method?

Thanks

Joe #53

Gerald D Thu 06 January 2011 00:53

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Originally Posted by jehayes View Post
. . . do you cut it into a solid block and then saw the block to release the inlay. . . . .
From what I understand, the solid block is glued to the panel and then the block is planed/sanded down to reveal the inlay.

Robert M Thu 06 January 2011 05:04

Joe, Gerald

Inlay is a minimum of two parts “profile cutting”…… no sawing to “release/reveal” the inlay pattern.

A pattern is lay “in” ( or in other words “down in the profiled pocket”)to the main pieces!
Minimum of two pieces of wood is needed:
A - The main pieces of wood which will receive the pattern ( in Wayne photo, the pale pieces of wood ) that gets some pockets machined .
B – The patterns itself which is cut with a thinner pieces of woof that will serve as the “inlayed part” to be fitted in the pocket relief. Must be a little thicker than the depth of the pocket allowing height room to be then flush sanded to a nice leveled surface.
Some may go more intricately by inlaying additional pieces over some already done ”inlay” pieces, meaning, a second or more inlay steps I just above describe over the previously is done !

Hope this clears some interrogations?
Amicalement ;)

Gerald D Thu 06 January 2011 12:52

Robert, it is easier to clamp and hold the inlay section (Part B) if it is part of a block of solid wood (or plywood)

jehayes Thu 06 January 2011 13:04

Robert/Gerald: Thanks for your replies. However, I guess my question was not well put. It is - How do you cut the piece to be inlaid?

If it is cut from thin stock how do you do so without leaving tabs (which will interfere with a tight fit into the socket)

Joe

Drad98_98 Thu 06 January 2011 13:24

Joe,
What Wayne does is pocket the first board to accept the inlay, then (depending on the inlay pocket depth), he either double face tape or glue the 2nd piece (to be inlayed into the first piece) to a flat piece of hardboard kinda like a secondary spoil board and cuts out the design. Usually he works with a 1/4" piece for the inlay mainly it is easy to come by or cut yourself. As long as it is taller than the pocket to allow for finish sanding. I did some that were larger and for those you can use tabs and just sand them off, just sand carefully. Hope that helps, wayne must either be busy or slacking lol
Dave

Drad98_98 Thu 06 January 2011 13:31

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A pic of my first time with inlay, I used thin Lauan (sp?) plywood for the inlay and I ended up sanding off the first ply so it didnt turn out that great. You should use solid wood but I was playing around with what I had for scrap.

firechief Thu 06 January 2011 15:10

That still looks nice, it will only get better from here
Tim

Rad Racer Fri 07 January 2011 03:23

Sorry for the late reply....my boss called for a staff meeting in California. I have had 3 solid days of travel and meetings (10+ hours/day) not much time for forum reading:(

Robert and Dave discribed the inlay process pretty well, not sure I have much to add. Maybe the only thing to add is that your inlay part, should be cut to the same size as the pocket. The fit will be very tight, but can pressed together easier if you slightly bevel the bottom edges. Wood glue (TiteBond) will also act as a lubricate making it easier to press the two parts together.

Robert M Fri 07 January 2011 06:48

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Since a photo is worth so many word, I’ve joint a PDF image (Attachment 10967 ) that shows how it is done when cut « manually » with either a manual or motorize scroll saw ( +/- 15° angle cut ).
Obviously, this technique could / can become quite a challenge on a CNC, but you get the “picture” when WAYNE says “but can pressed together easier if you slightly bevel the bottom edges” .

Gerald,
Although I have yet devoted time to practice and cut marquetery by CNC, my reply to your question could not be supported by experience as much as I did marquetry by “hand”.
My initial though would give a try by cutting the inlay part by either using small tabs strategically positioned so it would make it easy to “hand finish” it or…. Do a glue approach by sticking a craft paper to the back side of the inlay material part to be then glued again to a sacrificial cutting board ( mdf) with a little “breakthrough” cutting depth.
After the cutting of the inlay part, pry peal the remaining “good” inlay part from the sacrificial board ! this last is quite easy as the craft paper tears and can easily by used as a good “re-glued” surface for final gluing !

Obviously this last technique is not recommended to patterns with fine delicate edges !
When that will be called for, when I’ll spend time to try inlay with my cnc, I’ll come back with my approach !

Hope this can help some ;)

normand blais Sat 08 January 2011 10:26

This is another procedure ,for cnc .Might have been posted before
http://www.vectric.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4146

jehayes Sat 08 January 2011 21:24

Normand: That link to vectric was very useful. Thanks

Joe

Robert M Sun 09 January 2011 06:15

Might have been posted before……Age is slowly working in me too, but do remember 1st here : An easy way to make inlays using V Carve then : Inlays of wood patterns

;)

normand blais Sun 09 January 2011 12:25

glad to know that am only half baked . Anyway as long as I have that neurone that keep me from pooping all over am ok

Rad Racer Sun 09 December 2012 13:15

Been along time.
 
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Hi All,

It's been forever since my last post. Still using my MechMate regularly, just don't seem to have the time to post updates.

Been building on my new shop, the Mechmate is my prized tool...she takes center stage :)

Here's a couple of my most recent projects:

The first is a very large fan. I priced a Big A$$ fan (yes it's the companys real name) for my new shop but it was way too expensive...they wanted $6K for a 14' fan. So I built my own :D

Here's a picture of the completed fan. The entire unit was made with the MechMate and a little welded metal. I have fan construction photo's but they are too large to upload. I need to resize to post.

Rad Racer Sun 09 December 2012 13:20

Dust collection
 
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I have nearly completed the installation of my dust collector. Some of you my remember the collector from prevous posts. I built this cyclone using Bill Pentz plans.

The cyclone works great....it really sucks:eek:

Rad Racer Sun 09 December 2012 13:29

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Here's a couple of fan blade construction photos

Rad Racer Sun 09 December 2012 14:01

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Here's the fan motor assy. I used a 1/3hp 3ph motor and a VFD for control. With a VFD the fan operates just like a regular ceiling fan (forward, reverse, variable speed). For the fan hub I used a trailer axel:eek: very robust, should last forever.

BTW, the industrial name for this type of fan is HVLS fans. They are designed to move a ton of air at low speed. This fan is design to spin at 25 to 85 rpms. Because I have infloor heating, I run the fan at 25rpms all winter....this air movement allows for even heating in my shop. At 25 rpms, the fan only consumes about 90watts of power....it's very efficient.

Here's a picture of me with the fan...gives you some idea of the size:D

Wayne

Rad Racer Sun 09 December 2012 14:04

Moving the MechMate to the new shop
 
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Moving the MechMate to my new shop

sailfl Sun 09 December 2012 15:07

Wayne,

Nice shop.

I like your fan. What does it cost to build the motor unit? Interesting idea.

Rad Racer Sun 09 December 2012 16:45

Nils,

The motor was purchased(new) from Ebay for $25 + shipping...the other parts (hub, bearings, shaft, pulleys, etc...) were purchased from our local farm supply store.

Not sure how much I have into the power unit.....but I only spent ~$300 to build the whole fan.

Wayne

Robert M Tue 11 December 2012 18:09

Hi Wayne, glad to see some old mates... :D

Nice “inverted plane propeller’’ fan, if this still fall as a fan :eek: !
Excuse my ignorance on air movement, but…..why not a few smaller ones around the shop ?!
I can see more ‘hassle’ and more cost going with a few…..vs your mammoth ingenuity !
Space must also be in account.....and seems you have plenty of...head room :rolleyes:

zumergido Tue 11 December 2012 20:31

becouse is nice to have huge blades that can chop you head in any moment. dont know.. makes you apreciate your life every day.

i have to make that fan.

Regnar Tue 11 December 2012 21:57

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Originally Posted by Robert M View Post
Hi Wayne, glad to see some old mates... :D
Excuse my ignorance on air movement, but…..why not a few smaller ones around the shop ?!
I know from the ones we have at work is that its is a constant, smooth no dead area of air movement. The air movement feels very natural, almost like a breezy day under a tree. Only consuming 90 watts and hour is a huge saving over having multiple fans. I should also mention the noise from the fan is almost insignificant to the amount of air it moves.

KenC Tue 11 December 2012 23:42

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Originally Posted by zumergido View Post

i have to make that fan.

That is valid reason to build one :D

darren salyer Wed 12 December 2012 06:27

I already have fans in my shop, but I'd really like to build one too.
It just plain looks cool.

Rad Racer Thu 13 December 2012 17:51

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert M View Post
Hi Wayne, glad to see some old mates... :D
Nice “inverted plane propeller’’ fan, if this still fall as a fan :eek: !
Excuse my ignorance on air movement, but…..why not a few smaller ones around the shop ?!
I can see more ‘hassle’ and more cost going with a few…..vs your mammoth ingenuity !
Space must also be in account.....and seems you have plenty of...head room :rolleyes:
Hi Robert, good to speak with you again

Exactly, I built to look like a big airplane prop. Look close and you will see safety cables, what you can't see is the super structure (in the ceiling) to support the fan.... no worries about it falling.

I could have used little fans, but it would have taken 6 or more to move the same amount of air....at a greater cost.

Plenty of head room in the shop. I have 14ft ceilings, fan hangs at 12ft, plenty of clearence to swing around lumber :D

Rad Racer Thu 13 December 2012 17:55

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Originally Posted by zumergido View Post
becouse is nice to have huge blades that can chop you head in any moment. dont know.. makes you apreciate your life every day.

i have to make that fan.
At max speed the tips travel at 60+ mph.....I might hurt if you got your fingers in the blade:eek:

Rad Racer Thu 13 December 2012 18:11

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Originally Posted by Regnar View Post
I know from the ones we have at work is that its is a constant, smooth no dead area of air movement. The air movement feels very natural, almost like a breezy day under a tree. Only consuming 90 watts and hour is a huge saving over having multiple fans. I should also mention the noise from the fan is almost insignificant to the amount of air it moves.
True...very smooth and natural air movement This type of fan (HVLS) does not blow air, it moves air.

The fan runs silent at low speed, sounds a bit like a helicopter at high speed :D

Tom Ayres Tue 22 March 2016 16:50

Wayne we haven't heard from you in a while. What do you have your fingers into now-a-days?


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