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Kobus_Joubert Mon 26 March 2012 01:27

Why not use the Mach3 CALIBRATION to get it spot on.

TechGladiator Mon 26 March 2012 01:30

@Kobus, I just learned about that 10 minutes ago :). I will check it first thing tomorrow morning. Thank you.

TechGladiator Tue 27 March 2012 20:37

Cold Air Gun Success
 
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Today I finally had a chance to hook up the Cool Air Gun I bought a while back. I have to say I am pleasantly surprise, more like blown away, how well it works. Although the manual says that it likes to work at 100PSI @ 15 SCFM I was able to run it without a problem at 85 PSI @ 5 SCFM and it cooled perfectly in my opinion. I started by cutting 1/4" acrylic with a 1/8" bit @ 18K RPM without the plastic even melting. The different with and without the cool gun was very noticeable. As as second test I cut 1/8" thick Aluminum with a 1/4" carbide bit and again the bit didn't even begin to get hot. I didn't have the right hose or fittings or filter connected to the system which I will connect tomorrow so I think it can only get better from here. I will also measure how cold the air comes out of the gun but it felt as cold as air coming out of window air conditioner.

Bellow is a quick picture of the air gun, I will take some better shots when the hose is connected properly.

Lastly, the problem with my circles not looking like circles was a combination of "loose" parts:

1) One of the Z-Rail Rollers was not making good contact with the Z-Slide. Barely noticeable but was causing problem.
2) One of the rollers in the Y Axis was dirty with what looked like a piece of dried paint from the rails. It was a nice chunk so I know it was also affecting it.
3) The little lock screw on the Y Axis stepper was a little too long and was touching part of the laser put part(wall) once per revolution.

Thank you to everybody that pointed me to the Mach3 Axis Tunning function. I think this is the best thing since sliced bread :).. After about 15 minutes I had the machine 100% tuned.

Surfcnc Wed 28 March 2012 02:06

OK Miguel

A success. You get the first cold air gun on a Mechmate award (that I know of anyway).
At 18k acrylic is generally melting big time unless the feed rate is really quick.
I do like 12k max for acrylic, polycarbonate and alloy using cheap carbide 2 flute cutters.

Very interested in any information you can pass on about RPM, feed rate and depth of pass with your cold gun and aluminium.

Regards
Ross

TechGladiator Tue 03 April 2012 14:23

Another good day. For some reason I had my Y motor fail on me today but since I had a spare one I was up and running within 30 minutes.

I finally been able to get all the fittings correctly for the Cold Gun and I have to say that it works great. Even with my 5HP compressor it works great. The little smoke you see in the video is from the spill board. Every 5 to 6 minutes there is a little rock of ice that comes out of the gun, it just shows how cold it gets. I will post some pictures of the final cut piece later today.

I had to turn off the video to pause the cut job and remove the middle piece before it could break the bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s0wB9r8O1Q

TechGladiator Tue 03 April 2012 17:14

Some Pictures
 
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Here are some pictures of the final plate and installation.

IN-WondeR Tue 03 April 2012 17:57

That looks very very good actually..

What was the plate for???

TechGladiator Tue 03 April 2012 18:02

Kim; Thanks. The plate is to mount a Pneumatic cylinder to a Vacuum Forming machine I am building.

IN-WondeR Tue 03 April 2012 18:44

Cool.

How long was the actual cutting time for the entire plate?

TechGladiator Tue 03 April 2012 18:47

21 Minutes. The plate is 10x10 with 12 3/8" Holes, 2.75" Middle Square and outer Edges.

IN-WondeR Tue 03 April 2012 18:57

That's not bad at all... a bit slower than lasercutting, but still, for DIY then it's actually rather fast when milling...

zumergido Wed 04 April 2012 09:15

whats you spindle power? its the first time i see mm cutting iron. iam not crazy thats iron right?

so now get a bending machine and MM can replicate itself.

TechGladiator Wed 04 April 2012 10:10

@Fernando. Yes, it is iron/steel (Hierro). I have a 3HP air cooled chinese spindle.

sailfl Wed 04 April 2012 10:47

Miguel,

What size and kind of bit did you use?

bolingerbe Wed 04 April 2012 11:15

Now this is very interesting. :)

zumergido Wed 04 April 2012 11:26

wow.. iam amazed.. i was looking the idea of a 1hp spindle.. not any more.
soft materials.. aluminum and not ferrous, now steel. the working posibilities are too wide.
please give us more specs about the cutting.
speed mm/min , spindle speed, i see you using reductions.
bit specs.
you cooling using cool air. liquid can be use but you need a container to not ruin the spoiler mdf base.

Gracias Miguel

TechGladiator Wed 04 April 2012 11:54

@Nils; For that video I was using a Onsrud 57-281. It's 1/4" Double Fluted Carbide Bit. Picked it up on ebay for $7

Cutting Edge Diameter: .250"
Cutting Edge Length: .875"
Shank Diameter: .250"
Overall Tool Length: 2.500"
Tool Material: Solid Carbide
Number of Cutting Edges: 2
Helix: Downcut Righthand Rotation

TechGladiator Wed 04 April 2012 12:05

@Fernando;

When cutting the steel here were my settings

Spindle Speed: 9000rpm (200Hz on the VFD)
Belt Reduction: 3.33:1
Speed: 10% of my 'Normal Speed(450ipm)' or 45ipm for this cut(I incorrectly stated this yesterday)
Acceleration: 25in/sec
Downward Rate: 0.05
Cool Air Gun: Exair Cold Gun 5215

IN-WondeR Wed 04 April 2012 15:55

Iincredible that you can use the onsrud 57-281 for steel.

It's normally for wood...

Was it dull after the completion of one plate??

TechGladiator Wed 04 April 2012 16:08

@Kim; I know it's probably crazy but I didn't even pay attention to the "Wood" specification part of it. The bit is carbide so I figured it should work. I have read in the forums that when asking for a bit most distributors/resellers wont know the material type so I figured it was worth a shot. The bit is not dull at all. I checked the machine first thing this morning after cutting that plate and the bit still as sharp as when I first bought it. It still razor sharp!.. Which I was impressed..

KenC Wed 04 April 2012 22:07

wow, .05" (1.27mm) depth at 45ipm (1143mm/sec) that is aggressive! did you observe what is thr highest spindle current drawn?

You really need to be careful not to plunge your bit too fast or it will chew up your spindle bearings. They are expensive to replace. I found out the expensive way...

IN-WondeR Thu 05 April 2012 00:51

Ken C

u might want to revise the feedrate a bit. It's 45 inches a minute, not 450 inches a minute. :)

And the plunge rate is 0.05@ not the cut depth.. I counted 14-16 runs to go through 1/4" of material. So it's not that aggresive at all...

KenC Thu 05 April 2012 04:24

My bad. :o
45in/min... = 19.05mm/second.
That is actually slower then what I did, 25mm/sec.
The difference is I use HSS end mill bits at 2000rpm. with ample of kerosene applied with a small brush.
& I hate cleaning up the steel chips...

Surfcnc Thu 05 April 2012 04:39

Got them all thinking Miguel
 
Me too :)

Ross

Metalsmith Thu 05 April 2012 11:49

Thanks....
 
just finished this whole thread in one sitting.....things are getting clearer !

sailfl Mon 09 April 2012 10:32

Miguel,

Would you please give me some details on the compressor you are using with your cold air gun?

HP and tank size.

Thanks

jeep534 Sun 11 February 2018 08:02

the 3 minute video
 
Miguel,
Thank you for shearing. The 3 minute or so video has been a huge sorce of inspiration and motivation for me. I have had the plans for 10 years (when they were free lol) I have had them printed out on 11X17 paper for at least 2 so I am starting on the Y car soon (I have a quote for some of the laser cut parts) The balance of the "laser cut parts" I am going to cut on a friend's cnc plasma.

Thanks again
archie

jhiggins7 Mon 12 February 2018 05:46

Hey Archie, glad to see you posting about your build. I'm anxious to see how your "laser cut parts" experience goes.

jeep534 Mon 12 February 2018 05:51

I am more intrigued with the cutting and milling of the rails.

archie

Robert M Mon 12 February 2018 19:00

With all respect to yall, com-on guys, since Miguel has kinda disappear (MIA) for about 6yrs, I'd wouldn't expect "much" a reply :p

NILS.....Look here : Exair prod


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