Owner!

now the fun part starts, permits/demolition/construction/moving :)

Congratulations!!

The architect sent me the almost final plans, if you can read DWG, Im open to comments

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3624504/Plano%20Taller.dwg

In 1st floor at the front there is an area I demanded must be part of the project, a BBQ (Parrilla)

Garage entrance is 3.4m wide and 3.5m tall

sorry, garage is 3m wide

Felicidades Pablo.

You can put stairs for one possible third floor or use the rooftop.

Is it normal not having a rear door to serve as fire exit?

The shop I rented has the huge 3m wide roller shuttle door, and its great for ventilation.

Pablo,

Wow, that is some garage.

Isn't there a lot of wasted verticle space in the garage area? Or is that the building codes for a garage in your part of the world.

Here we could have a second floor the length of the garge but you also might want the space for lifts.

Very nice. Your cars, MM and you will be very happy in that space.

Pablo, which toilets are used by the crew of delivery trucks?

as discussed earlier, the trucks in Europe are 4 meters high, high, I see that the hollow of his garage door measuring 3.50 meters.

You can put two Light windows in the rooftop for save energy.

One communication windows between the garage and the top floor.

Thanks for the replies, keep in mind that this lot is in the city, so I have neighbors at both sides and at the end of the lot.

Here is a photo:
http://peu.net/mods/vallejos01.JPG

Most of what you see will go to demolition.
That box in the front is a phone pairs cabinet, I already asked for it to be removed, it takes time, but it must go, the phone company likeing or not...

Answers:

Roof: 1st floor roof and work area/garage roof are the same, parabolic with fiberglass insulation plus some policarbonate sheets every now and then to have natural light in the work area. There is no concrete 2nd floor, so no need for stairs there. Maybe in the future a 2nd spiral stair can be added so 1st floor can be accessed from the work area, but this is not planned for the time being.

Rear door: there are no rear exits, only entrances at the front, one is garage, other is walking door

Garage: The garage is the space between the offices and the lot limit, it serves as a shop entrance.

Toilets: There are toilets in the office area (both floors) and there is a work area toilet at the back of the lot, you see there 3 rooms, the middle one is the toilet, right one is locked storage room and left one is dinning area for personnel, there is no regulation here that asks for a toilet for truckers, if someone asks, he/she can use the same toilet as workers.
These 3 rooms are part of the actual building, so they will be refurbished to this new use, the bathroom is actually a bathroom too.

Trucks: if you are speaking about 20/40ft container loading trucks, the entrance area is not high enough. regarding light windows, or clear policarbonate panels as I call them, they will be used where you can see the parabolic roof, I mean, in the shop area.

Last week I purchased my first tool for the shop, an used 3phase 5.5HP oil free pendular vacuum pump, its going to be put in like new conditions by professionals since I want it to be converted from vacuum pump to compressor:
http://peu.net/mods/compresor03
http://peu.net/mods/compresor04
Manufacturer website: http://www.tausem.com.ar/


Pablo

Pablo,

If you are planning a Dust Collector, you might find it useful to prepare a closet above the rooms in the back for the Dust Collector. This closet could be enclosed and sound proofed so that the noise of the Dust Collector would be silenced. I have a Dust Collector closet and I vent the air drawn into the Dust Collector closet back into the room through double filters.

You can also vent the Dust Collector to the outside, but this involves additional design to account for the air that is "vacuumed" out of the workshop. Also, there may be rules against such venting in your location.

That's an awesome shop Pablo. It's going to be really spectacular.

That was originally a compressor - that is the reason for cooling fins on the pipes going to the big tank. (If it was only vacuum, then those pipes would be cold).

Oh, I did not realise you already had staff toilets at the back end. I thought your staff were all using the front toilets, which is okay. But then you would get visiting crew going throught the offices and that can be a bit of a problem if they spot a nice cellphone or calculator on a desk....

Suggest you put a strong floor over the back rooms. Always useful for machinery or storage. Also, get a good electricity point for the staff rooms, separate from the machinery electrical points . . . . staff do some crazy things (put knives into toasters) and then trip the machines.

I always thought that is our local tradition... :o

There is really no boundary for this sort of practice :rolleyes:

Nothing is foolproof for a sufficiently talented fool...:)

That is a very interesting compressor:

I wonder how they machine an arced pot? What are the advantages, less moving parts?

Much shorter piston that doesn't wobble in the cylinder, and therefore no oval wear of the cylinder and piston.

The designer/Inventor and patent owner is Argentino, he even made a car motor out of the same concept, here is his youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/jorgetau

That image sometimes takes ages to download, I mirrored it here http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3624504/cabezal-movimiento2.gif

Later today I'll met with the refurbisher, he will replace the automatic, add a pressure gauge, air filter, check if the pulley needs to be replaced to a bigger/lower diameter, remove rust and paint it again and the hydraulic test.

Pablo, back to your factory . . .

If you use a roller door for the big front door, you need some space for the roller box (about 400mm X 400mm). It is a real problem to find space for the door mechanism - normally it will reduce the entrance height by 400mm.

good point, will ask the architect about this particular detail, im meeting him tomorrow.

Me gusta su calle empedrada y el árbol frente a su edificio, supongo que es casco antiguo. (perros orinan en el árbol).:)
Puede hacer ruido en esta zona? tal vez tenga que insonorizar.

I like its cobbled street and the tree in front of his building. suspect old area.
(dogs pee on the tree.):)
You can make noise in this area? might have to soundproof.

Todos los barrios por la zona son arbolados, esta en una zona semi-residencial, mayormente viviendas unifamiliares y bastantes edificios, es decir, puede haber actividades laborales pero de bajo impacto ambiental (sonido, vibraciones, etc) No va a ser necesario insonorizar, el ruido de un spindle no pasa las paredes y no hay maquinas que generen vibraciones

All the neighbourhoods in the area have trees, this is a semi-residential zone, mostly uni-family homes and many buildings, you can install shops but they must be low disturbance (noises, vibrations, etc) I don't think noise cancelling will be necesary since spindle noise is barely heard across walls and I will have no vibration generating machines there.

Del arbol probablemente tenga que cortar una ramas principales que se proyecta hacia el terreno actual, porque cuando esten hechas las oficinas chocaria con una ventana.

From the tree its most probably I will have to trim one of the main branches thats actually over the lot, when the offices are made this branch would project into the office thru the windows.

The branches will be used in the parrilla? :)

if I allow it to dry of course, but its too much hassle, charcoal is next to free here or I can purchase quebracho (a local hard wood) also for next to nothing

Garage Door: today the architect told me this is a non issue, the rollable front door its hidden in the ceiling beneath 1st floor flowers place, he explained it to me with a drawing like this one:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3624504/garagedoor.jpg

Also I asked for the shop perimetral columns to have support for a 2 or 3 ton crane bridge, not that I will install one from the get go, but having the columns ready will save me a lot of money when I decide to install it.

The plans are ready to be presented for approval, aesthetics can be discussed later since the approval process takes around 2 months with luck.

As soon I return from my holidays, they start this monday, I will start purchasing motors/drivers/bob and analize if I can machine the eccentrics and V rollers and will ask for quotes for local laser/bending or waterjet/bending there are at least 10 shops within one hour drive, so prices should be fair.

Last tuesday I sent request for the lasered/waterjet parts, about 10 emails to different providers, 3 replied within the next few days and I will call on monday as a follow up to the ones that didn't reply

One quoted a nice price but on a 10sets basis, gone, other two were waterjets and they cant mark the pieces for bending, not sure if this is OK. I have zero experience in laser/waterjet cutting but one of the companies that quoted said if I was going to compare waterjet to laser they wont quote since waterjet is far LESS expensive... this was contrary from what I read here.

So far best price is 1750 pesos + tax (usd450+tax) without bending for the full set, not the economic version.
The rep from one company that I called yesterday afternoon, after a little chat about the files and that they were for a machine we are building (he didnt received the plans at that moment) asked me, are these parts for a router? I was amazed, how the h**l did he know? anyway, on monday I will know if the router he guessed is a MM or another beast.

While I was on vacations compressor mod was done by pros, take a look:

http://peu.net/mods/compresor05
http://peu.net/mods/compresor06
http://peu.net/mods/compresor07
http://peu.net/mods/compresor08
http://peu.net/mods/compresor09
http://peu.net/mods/compresor10
http://peu.net/mods/compresor11
http://peu.net/mods/compresor12
http://peu.net/mods/compresor13
http://peu.net/mods/compresor14

And this short video of the beast in motion, the voice you hear is me talking with an employee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Blp95fmq58


Pablo

Pablo,

I did had my parts plasma cut (fyi 275usd in Ecuador). I don't think that not having the bend lines available is a huge issue. However, I agreed with my plasma cutter that I would bring the parts home first after cutting to drill the rest of the holes and add the bend lines by hand. THen I would bring them back to have them bend. This process was good, but it's very time consuming.
If I could, I would have them laser cut and bend lines added, this will safe you some time. It's not very easy to add the bend lines on some of the parts, specially the z-plate, but very doable.

Ries

More quotes are starting to roll in, best price so far: laser & bend pieces below usd400 for the full options list :)

Pablo,

sounds like you will have your laser cut part very soon then ;)

Ries

yup :) next is the USA purchasing spree: motors, geckos, pmdx bb and stuff thats pricey here in Argentina, I have plenty of time to make the electronics box before I will be able to build the mechanics.

For the readers in Argentina, biggest Argentina woodworking expo starts next week:
http://feria.fitecma.com.ar/
Will take photos of the interesting stuff.

Pablo,

I miss that sort of thing here in Ecuador :(

Ries

Today I made the 1st step towards my mechmate, ordered the lasered parts, just in case I ordered the whole full set (29 pieces essential+optional) since Im still undecided on what motors to use, if I have to choose now, I would pick ungeared and add a 4:1 transmision.

The price, after a round of 9 RFQ, is only $227+tax it will be ready in two weeks, the delay is part of the low price, sometimes it pays to work in advance :)
I hope I can get a structural steel deal similar to this one.

One question, since the price is so great, is there something else I can get lasercut that is not in Gerald plans?

Regarding the construction, plans are still waiting to be approved, already got the natural gas supply stopped and got the certificate from the company, but demolition alone could take at least 15 days more...

Im happy (because of the lasered parts not because of the approval delays)

Pablo, you can see the Z plates made by Ivo in Stonia Link is only one cut and two bends.
You can test with this, i have the plans in Acad. Attachment 8739

And can cut the Leo reductions drives Link

I think you selected the Motion King 34HS9801

Hi Pablo maybe you would want to cut your company logo and use it as a branding iron . Dont forget to mirror

Ros, muy buena idea, voy a mandar a cortar 4 juegos de las reducciones de Castone! (good idea, I will order 4 sets of the Castone reductions) Do these reductions work for all axes?

Normand: you mean to stamp my work on the back for example?

Gracias/Thanks!

Yes that is what I mean ,just heat with a torch and apply to the back of your work . also could be use on livestock if you ever get :)

Hey, that's a nice idea :rolleyes:

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/a...ohelen/cow.jpg

:D:D:D

Would that not be a MilkMate? :):eek:

Ros,

Do you have a DXF for that Z plate?