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Fox Wed 03 September 2014 00:54

Added to the list, it's going to be a CNC leatherman tool :).
Another one; I could also add a rubber wheel, as anti lift device, and add a bracket to mount it next to the spindle instead of into.
Glass cutter wheel.. etc etc.
Oh well... too many ideas too little time...

KenC Wed 03 September 2014 01:45

Put a extruder & you will have a 3D printer.
A laser power source & you have a laser cnc
add water jet & you'll have a water jet cnc.... hey, the list goes on & on & on...

Fox Wed 03 September 2014 16:28

Although those could be done, I think it they are far more complex, require additional electronics and the mm is less capable of meeting the demands those designations require, however a plotter, a creaser, a cutter are well within spec of an mm.

pblackburn Sat 06 September 2014 09:09

While I am waiting for the parts to repair the spindle, I am working on Halloween silhouettes, a treasure chest for the kids, playing with Rhino and thinking of a exterior mounted spring loaded pen holder for sharpie pens. My mind is like the cartoon character that tried to run in every direction at once and is sprung back to the beginning. Working right now on modeling a skull and bones for the chest.

pblackburn Sat 06 September 2014 10:56

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This is the start of the skull and bones. I cannot take credit for the models, I found free models and cleaned up what was needed. I try to utilize free stuff whenever it is feasible to save time. I used Rhino to better position the three objects, imported into Aspire and sculpted. I then made a model from the toolpath preview and exported as a wavefront object. Opened the obj in Blender and rendered the model. This is the computer rendered result of the toolpath preview model.

IMMark Sat 06 September 2014 13:06

That looks nice Pete.....what is that walnut :)
Please keep us updated on that sharpie holder too!
Mark

pblackburn Sat 06 September 2014 13:10

The material for the render was Mahogany but it does have a Walnut look about it. I have a fair amount of Sapele left over that I thought I could cut that out of. It would be that color.

Fox Sat 06 September 2014 16:27

I you need help with Rhino3d let me know, I am pretty familiar with it.

pblackburn Sat 06 September 2014 16:34

Thanks Fox. I am just trying to familiarize myself with it to see if it is worth the purchase. I still have 80 days left to make a decision.

Fox Sat 06 September 2014 18:26

I think it offers the most bang for the bucks as 3d cad software. It has it's quirks, but so do the rest which cost more money. Support is good.

pblackburn Sat 06 September 2014 18:39

I think the hardest part is it is another piece of software to learn. I am fairly descent with Autocad, but I also have to use Solidworks, NX at work but mostly Autocad. Then I use Aspire at home with some modeling in Blender. Now playing with Rhino. My head literally hurts. But I do like the limited stuff I have done with the tutorials.

Fox Mon 08 September 2014 03:01

Exactly, it takes a while to get used to and then it's like a marriage, once you learn the bad habits you learn to live with them :D.

I use Rhino (and Solidworks for the little things that don't work with rhino). Have worked with autocad, microstation, inventor in the past. Plus point for Rhino is that it open almost all other cad programs.

pblackburn Tue 09 September 2014 20:41

Spindle bearings replaced. Nice and quiet again.

KenC Tue 09 September 2014 21:13

Spindle bearings are expensive.... not a lot cheaper than a new spindle...

danilom Wed 10 September 2014 10:38

Ken you cheapskate :P I replaced my bearings too. Bearings were around 1/3 price of a spindle with shipping and were better quality than originals. But the main thing is, bearings can be replaced in a day lot faster than the new spindle can be shipped.
p.s. better way should be to keep a spare spindle and mount it, while you change the bearings on the old one and keep that one as a spare :)

Pete, did you put the spindle armature in the freezer? I found that method to be the easiest to put new bearings on, they just slip on with a hand.

Fox Wed 10 September 2014 14:54

Pete,
forgot to mention for rhino switch on the command help. It shows you in details what a command does when you click an icon.. with videos text and images, all integrated in Rhino. ( right menu bar)

pblackburn Wed 10 September 2014 19:03

Danilo,
I did not put it in the freezer, an arbor press. The arrangement of the bearing is strange. Not the way I am used to seeing a spindle bearing orientation. Freezer works and so does a CO2 extinguisher.

Hans Thu 11 September 2014 02:25

Pete, Danilo,
Where did you buy replacement bearings?

pblackburn Thu 11 September 2014 05:35

I found a place that rebuilt spindles and sold parts to the public. Ebay had them also.

Fox Wed 08 October 2014 08:08

Pete,

I am building my dust-suction-device-thingie :D for the MM at the moment.
I need to purchase flex hoses and would like to know (those are expensive:() if you
could you elaborate on how long your flex lines are, and how thick ?

I've seen in your thread you did quite some testing and smaller made higher CFM.
I think you stated to start with smaller straight pipe, then smaller flex hose to your inline Thien, then the bigger to Grizzly ?

But on your videos, it 'seems' your running 4" all the way instead of 6" ?

KenC Wed 08 October 2014 08:35

I use PVC Air Hose. From my friendly neighborhood hardware store.
Looks like these.
http://www.merlett-pvc-hose.co.uk/images/911010_1.jpg

I also use 4". The 6" price is just too expensive to swallow...

pblackburn Wed 08 October 2014 08:37

Sorry if this is long. I started with 4" (20 some foot) the whole way. Was not adequate. Then I started testing. With 6" trunk and necking down to 4" at the Y car, the velocity increased as well as the CFM. I preferred the higher velocity at the shoe to help with collecting the fines. I have the Pentz cyclone 20 ft from the machine. I used a 6" trunk line with a short piece of flex between the cyclone and the 6" sewer and drain pipe to reduce noise transfer. At the side and center of the machine I transition to 6" flexible duct. This duct runs to then Y car where I taper down to 4" pipe to the shoe. My shoe is independent of the Z. With 6" the status discharge is large so Spiral wrapping and grounding is a must.
In short. 6" as far as you can before going to 4" smooth pipe. If you goto flex 4", the CFM drops dramatically.

pblackburn Wed 08 October 2014 08:38

I will post a picture later.

servant74 Wed 08 October 2014 09:25

Smooth as much as you can, and gentle curves. When you use flex hose, use it for a little distance as is practical. Movable solid joints are possible, but get uber-expensive. Somewhere I saw (in the archives or in another site) one guy that made/used solid with one movable joint that made effectively a swinging crane over the top of the CNCRouter, and only used about 4 to 6' of flex to go from the swing arm down to the router head. Pretty awesome but complex.

Not saying that is what you or anyone should do, it was just a great build. Personally, going a bit simpler makes sense to me.

Alan_c Wed 08 October 2014 15:46

See here: http://www.mechmate.com/forums/showt...&postcount=309 and then later on on post 509. Not as complex as it looks, the supporting gantry is just some angle iron and solid rod, a lasy susan bearing and a bit of creativity, the pipes are standard 110mm drain pipe - the rotating coupling is very simple with the rubber seal removed from one side of the lower elbow so the pipe fixed to the upper elbow can rotate - works very well and didn't cost much (I'm too cheap to pay big bucks :) )

servant74 Wed 08 October 2014 16:33

That was the gantry mechanism I saw. Alan, thanks for finding it! I still think it is a great project!

pblackburn Wed 08 October 2014 21:25

I remember that. That was a nice design.

pblackburn Wed 08 October 2014 21:47

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I would have liked to had the option for the hinge pipe but I have metal structure tie rods at the height of 75" from the floor. I had to opt for flex. I trimmed out all the extra junk so you can see only the desired result. The best thing is the flex right before the cyclone and the flex right after the blower into the sound deadened box (not shown) reduces the sound to a very manageable level.

Tom Ayres Thu 09 October 2014 04:16

Pete I'm interested in how you made your adjustable shoe adjustable. Do you have pics of that posted anywhere? I've made several shoe configurations and have not been satisfied by any of my approaches. The nice thing is I have a Mechmate to assist with fabrication, ha ha.

Fox Thu 09 October 2014 05:16

Hmm
Questions:

I am looking into that, if I can built me a boom on the machine. But here I see people using straight parts of PVC tube, elsewhere I read one should never use that in dust collection... cause of static ( fire hazard icm with lots of air and fine dust ) and also dangerous to explode on impact of debree ?

...due to my alternative Z and the grizzly alternative I use I might not be able to do this approach, what if I would start with 4" flex and do the reduction to 3" pipe is the higher flow due to the stepdown or is the 4" just too small ?

Alan_c Thu 09 October 2014 15:07

If you are a member of Fine Wood Working or have access to issue 153 - PVC pipes are discussed in respect of using them for dust extraction: http://www.finewoodworking.com/works...-debunked.aspx

servant74 Thu 09 October 2014 15:55

There are some good writings on Bill Pentz's site ( billpentz.com ) on various kinds of pipes for dust collection. I would use that as close to a canonical source.

http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyc...#pvc_confusion

From all I read, PVC seems safe. Some wrap a continuous piece of bare wire around it 'slowly' (think 1 wrap per joint of pipe) with a wood screw near each connector on the 'top' side (to keep wood chips from sticking as they go by, and it doesn't need to protrude much, a quarter to 1/8 inch - 3 to 5 mm? - but on the outside it should be attached to the ground wire. The PVC should have the wire attached to earth ground a one end (keeps from having ground loops - a bad thing).

But there are many thousands of feet of PVC being used today without incident without the anti-static protection.

All that said, I have seen NO documented instances of wood shaving or chips catching on fire due to PVC collection ducts.

The big thing is to run enough air to keep the dust and chips flowing - at least that is what I am told.

(Summary of BIll's site on using PVC: Use PVC pipe, not sewer/drain tile because the sewer/drain tile is not smooth inside. PVC pipe is. He still prefers spiral wound smooth metal, but PVC is a much more affordable alternative for those on a budget.)

pblackburn Thu 09 October 2014 17:48

Jack,
ASTM D-2729 (Sewer & Drain) is PVC, just not Sch 40 more in line with Sch 10. You can find S&D in Styrene but he recommends ASTM D-2729.

Fox,
Spiral wrap with aluminum tinsel (hard to find) or Aluminum Foil folded into 2" wide strips, make wraps less than a foot apart.

pblackburn Thu 09 October 2014 18:23

Reference Section 5 on http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/ducting.cfm

Fox Fri 10 October 2014 04:58

thnx guys. Parts ordered.

pblackburn Sat 11 October 2014 13:46

Forgot to post a picture of this.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3927/...aba31062_c.jpg
2.2kW spindle , on Flickr

Tom Ayres Sat 11 October 2014 16:27

Talk about an explosion, wow!!

Fox Sat 11 October 2014 16:29

That's the great thing about building your machines, you can take them apart for repairs as well. Nice example. And you have even built some custom tools to make it happen.

servant74 Sat 11 October 2014 16:35

BTW, Since we started discussions tomorrow I contacted Bill Pentz about a broken link. Since then I found he is updating his site and many of the updates are online and more on the way.

All that said, if you read his site some time ago (like I did), it might be time for a re-read to see if he found something new.

The re-reading reminded me about the difference between chip collection (important) and fine dust collection (more important). Something we should all consider carefully for our own and family health.

Ok, off my soap box now!

pblackburn Sat 11 October 2014 16:42

Good point Jack. Bill is a great guy. I spoke with him a few times and corresponded through email also. He really does a great service to us that are uninformed.


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