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WTI Tue 14 February 2012 20:30

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XLR_connector

smreish Wed 15 February 2012 04:41

http://www.markertek.com/Cables/Audi...FX.xhtml?NC4MX

Markertek is a very reliable source with pretty fair pricing. Customer service is awesome.

These Nuetrik 4 pins are the industry standard. They are also only one of the few xlr that are rate for the current and voltage the stepper motors require.

Myself, JR and a few other used them.

Good luck.

darren salyer Wed 15 February 2012 06:19

Oh Suuuuure, everyone jumps in with more connector info, but nobody offers to help unload the MDF????

Just kidding, thanks for all the info. Spending a few bucks more on good components to have a reliable machine is well worth it in my mind.

I don't mind doing something, but I ABSOLUTELY HATE having to redo something after the fact.

Table should be upright by the end of the week.....probably massively overkill too.lol

WTI Wed 15 February 2012 07:57

Nuetrik is a great brand for connectors.

Besides XLR, you can also look at the SpeakON style connectors. They come in 2, 4 and 8 conductor layouts. These are made for high current usage and basically unbreakable.

You might even use both styles to make it hard to mix up motors, sensors, spindles....

darren salyer Wed 15 February 2012 17:20

Table is turned over onto its six legs....Now if I could only find my camera.....

smreish Wed 15 February 2012 17:24

...it's under the table! LOL. Great accomplishment - keep up the great work (we are watching!)
What I really want is a picture of you moving the MDF. If I recall when I took care of my MDF move, I actually put 2 trash cans on furniture dollies to move at the same level as the truck bed, to the machine bed of the MM to keep the lifting to a min. That is some HEAVY stuff. Be careful.

darren salyer Wed 15 February 2012 18:28

Going to order cable chain from Mcmaster tomorrow (4516T22)

The formula I found is 1/2 the axis length + 2" + (radius of chain x pi) +1 link..

so for a 5x12 I need:
X axis = 144"/2=72"+2"= 74"+ (12.377")= 86.377"
Y axis = 60"/2=30+2=32"+ (12.377")= 44.377"
86.377+44.377= 130.754"
Less than (2) 6' lengths.
Plus end brackets...

My question is: can what I take off the Y axis be added to the X axis, or will that not work?
Is it like a bicycle chain where you need a "master link" ?

smreish Wed 15 February 2012 18:58

The IGUS energy chain is modular. Each link snaps into the next very simply. The end links are just the same. Just make sure you snap in the proper direction, they are "handed" links.

If you order another 12"-18" and 2 ends you can also do your z-axis!

Good luck.

darren salyer Thu 16 February 2012 07:41

Found the camera....luckily not under the table.
My wife wasn't happy when I told her I flipped this over by myself using a floorjack and chain hoist...... probably good that I don't have any pictures of that.
http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/...301320x990.jpg

Darin Thu 16 February 2012 17:08

It looks awesome Darren!

I work by myself a lot. I know what its like. Sometimes things are safer than they seem when there's only one person to worry about getting hurt. I find I can do a lot more than I thought, very safely, if I just go slow and plan every move and back away and look everything over a lot. I would have turned it over by myself to and also would have been fussed at :)

TechGladiator Thu 16 February 2012 17:34

@Darren: Do you think those beams will hold that table? !!!. Kidding, that looks great. Looks like it's coming together nicely... Good Job!..

darren salyer Thu 16 February 2012 17:38

LOL, like I said, massive overkill.
I suffer from a disease called "while I'm at it" that always makes things escalate...

I can tell you, it is rock solid.

MetalHead Thu 16 February 2012 17:41

I'm waitin for someone to use an electric pallet jack setup on one of these to move it around :) !!! Nice looking table !!!

smreish Fri 17 February 2012 03:57

Looks about right to me. Nice work.

KenC Fri 17 February 2012 05:56

Awsome looking table!!!
That is a sturdy table there! You will be rewarded for the extra miles on the additional weight & diagonal braces.

darren salyer Wed 29 February 2012 10:37

Got some used cable chain and installed it, and it seems to sag a bunch.
Does this look normal, or am I doing something wrong?http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/...321320x990.jpg

Gerald D Wed 29 February 2012 11:01

As you said, that cable chain has seen a lot of use and is a bit worn, but still functional for your application. Check that the links are still firmly attached to each other by jerking it around a bit - that is the most important thing. If it droops so far down that it slides on the lower part of the chain you will have to check that it doesn't snag. (On very long machines it is normal for the chain to drag over the fixed part)

1planeguy Fri 09 March 2012 12:32

Darren...have to say that is a beast...wow...

I knew the 12' long would add some "bulk"...didn't think that much :-)

darren salyer Fri 09 March 2012 13:05

Thanks...I think....:)
Heres how it looks today with a 61"x145" MDF spoilboard
Just painted it yesterday.
Hope to get some re-assembly done this weekend..

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/...341320x990.jpg

1planeguy Fri 09 March 2012 13:10

VERY nice...

barry99705 Fri 09 March 2012 18:06

Quote:
Originally Posted by darren salyer View Post
Thanks...I think....:)
Heres how it looks today with a 61"x145" MDF spoilboard
Just painted it yesterday.
Hope to get some re-assembly done this weekend..

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/...341320x990.jpg
Hey look! His garage door is still white! :D

Kobus_Joubert Fri 09 March 2012 22:42

Nice. I see you used the spoilboard as a buffer between the MM and the garage door :D

darren salyer Sat 10 March 2012 06:07

Actually, the car dollys are still under the rear legs, I used a floor jack to move it to the center of my shop and put 25'x30' of plastic on the floor under the table, and sprayed it there, then moved it back after it dried.
Cleanup consisted of rolling up the plastic and throwing it away.
Its next move will be into a dedicated room in the back of my shop...

And in the spirit of the founder......someone really needs to empty that dust collector. :)

darren salyer Tue 13 March 2012 17:21

another couple bites of the elephant....

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/...351320x990.jpg

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/...361320x990.jpg

darren salyer Tue 13 March 2012 19:55

I have (4) NPN NO proximity sensors, and in reading through the threads related to them, it seems I need to supply them with 12 volts to use them to switch a relay that will then provide 5 volts to pin 15 of the PMDX.
Over simplified, I know, but i'm looking for a shopping list.

Sooo, 4 DIN mounted relays with 12 volt coils, and a power supply with a 12v and 5v tap should be on my want list.


Correct?

smreish Tue 13 March 2012 20:23

Mostly correct.

You can see what has been earlier on this post:

http://www.mechmate.com/forums/showt...4&postcount=59

Your switching a "dry contact" to the pin on your break out board that just happens to be wired in series for the homing sequence in Mach. My drawing shows a couple things that have been changed.
I am supplying only 12VDC to the prox circuit and the DIN mounted relays. The proximity sensor(s) are always active and "sense" the hole in the rail or a de-rail situation to shut down the system.

If you have any really needy questions, send me a PM.

Sean

darren salyer Tue 13 March 2012 20:35

I read that entire thread, And I'm pretty sure I understand whats going on.
I'm putting together an order to Factorymation, and the DIN relay you spec'd is of course obsolete now.
Any special 12volt coil relay requirements I should be aware of?

Good to know that 12v to the BOB isn't a problem.

TechGladiator Tue 13 March 2012 20:47

Hey Darren;

If you plan to put lights on the door that show the status of the prox I would recommend the DPTP Relay (Double Pole, Double Throw) http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it.A/id.105404/.f

if not, you can just go with the SPDT (Single Pole, Double Throw) http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/it.A/id.105420/.f

Those are what I have on my built and they work great. If you need any help with the wiring let me know.

Miguel

darren salyer Tue 13 March 2012 21:03

Thanks Miguel.
What are the 5 red and 5 green lights on your door for?
I'm assuming for the proxys, but can you enlighten me a little on how they are set up?
Green when all is OK, red when they are sensing a hole or derail?
And why 5?

Thanks.

TechGladiator Tue 13 March 2012 21:24

@Darren: I use 4 Green when Each of the proxys is "OK", 4 Red when not "OK", 1 Green when Spindle is running and 1 Red when E-Stop is engaged.

smreish Thu 15 March 2012 08:23

Still have the relays at Factorymation:

http://www.factorymation.com/s.nl/sc...gory.259183/.f

darren salyer Fri 16 March 2012 16:47

I know I'm not the first, but here is my Central Machinery dust collector modded with a Thein baffle and a Wynn filter.

If I'm the first with a MechMate branded collector, I'd like to apply for serial #1.
I have the blue paint and the logo, and i'd be happy to post a video of it sucking up dust, if necessary......:D

See what happens when i'm given too much free time in the evenings?

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/...39990x1320.jpg

Alan_c Fri 16 March 2012 17:31

That is a first :cool:

MetalHead Fri 16 March 2012 19:17

Hmmmm - may need to add that to the catalog offerings :D !!!

Kobus_Joubert Fri 16 March 2012 22:34

Must be a PROUD MechMate owner....nice

WTI Sat 17 March 2012 10:34

Hah! Love it!

Axel1966 Sat 17 March 2012 16:47

So cool ! :cool:

darren salyer Wed 04 April 2012 19:02

OK,
Not much posting but a lot of behind the scenes research.
Control box and wiring stuff arrived from Metalhead today. (Thanks Mike.)

For motors, I'll be using KL34H280-45-8A
For power supply i'll be using a 5N48R12
I have 4:1 belt reductions

I believe I'd be best suited with 25 tooth pinion gears, but any advice would be appreciated.

darren salyer Wed 11 April 2012 08:40

Well, motors and power supply are here.
Still researching the 25 tooth pinion question.
About to order the 4 G203v, pmdx-126, pmdx-134, and an Ethernet Smoothstepper.
I'm hoping to be able to lay out the control box so 6 inch ribbon cables will work.

darren salyer Sat 21 April 2012 11:28

I've strung the 4 core cables to the motors, and I have a question on the 8 core to the pushbutton boxes.
Are these wired in series IE: Y car box to far gantry box to near gantry box to control box?
Seems logical to do it this way, but...
I'm confusing myself the more I research.


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