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blakekoehn Sat 16 January 2010 09:22

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Originally Posted by Gerald D View Post
Blake, that is the most common motor used for MM's and it is usually wired "half-coil" You may mean the same thing when you say "unipolar" because the naming has changed a bit over the years - these days we are more inclined to say half-coil.

Your 39V looks like a mistype - how did you get that value?

300VA is more than enough for 4 of those motors used on a router.
Gerald I got those calculations from the information in this post.

Particularly this:
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So, where do we go in the range 24 to 80V? Find the inductance of the motor from its specsheet in milliHenry, take the square root of the mH value and multiply that by 32. For example, a motor that is rated 1.5mH needs: 32 x √1.5 = 39 Volt
I believe if I am reading the the spec sheet correct. The inductance is 1.5, the same as the example. Or what am I doing wrong?

Gerald D Sat 16 January 2010 12:45

From this question:

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Originally Posted by blakekoehn View Post
Does anyone use the PMDX-136 Powersupply?
....it looks like you only want a transformer to feed the PMDX-136. Then you confirm that you are only looking at the transformer:

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Originally Posted by blakekoehn View Post
According to my calculations I need a transformer that outputs close to 39V and 321VA Is this correct?
However, the PMDX-136 will increase the voltage by a factor of 1.414X (-1.5) see page 6 of http://www.pmdx.com/Doc/PMDX-136_Manual_10.pdf

So, if you want 39V out of the PMDX, then the transformer output must be 29V, and that is why I wondered if you mistyped the 39.

Practical experience tells us that a 30VAC, 300VA transformer works fine for those motors wired half-coil.

If you are buying a ready-made DC supply, then 40VDC, 300VA is fine.

blakekoehn Sat 16 January 2010 13:18

I neglected to clarify. I have pretty much decided not to use the PMDX 136. I will either build a PS or buy one. I would like to buy one but not sure where. Building one does not seem to complicated...

Gerald D Sat 16 January 2010 13:38

If you are building one, you shop for a 29 or 30 V transformer. Many use a 25 V because that is fairly common.

If you are buying a ready-made power supply then you shop for 40V.

domino11 Sat 16 January 2010 15:04

Blake check these out.

Capacitor
at digikey

Transformer and Bridge
transformer
bridge
at parts express

just food for thought. :)

Sergio-k Sat 16 January 2010 22:51

Blake

I have bought the same motors and i have builted my PS.
I intend of wiring them also half coil so i used these specs :

Toroid : 28v 300VA
Rectifier : 25A
3x capacitors 10000 63v
33k resistors on the G203V Geckos.

I get a nice 39v output from my PS.
Hope it helps.

Sergio

Drad98_98 Wed 20 January 2010 19:04

Looking good Blake, trying to keep up with you.

blakekoehn Thu 21 January 2010 09:23

You might pass me up... I had quite a bit of work come in here in the sign shop, so MM is not progressing very fast this week. Grinding rails is also proving to be a bit of a challenge, wish I would have went with the BWC rails.

The bad thing is, is that I am without a router right now since I sold my shopbot to fund this MM. I have to get it up and running soon, I use it quite a bit to fabricate my signs.

Your build is looking great also!

Sherman McCoy Thu 21 January 2010 09:45

Blake-

I pondered the BWC rails too, but they were out of stock (thank God) when I tried to order them, so I went the grinding route. For almost nothing(certainly less than the additiional cost of BWC's), a local industrial knife sharpening shop ground, straightened and put an edge on one side of my angle iron( both sides would have been more). In about an hour, I did the other side, and, "Bob's your uncle", in less than a week I was done.

MetalHead Fri 22 January 2010 12:22

It just hit me today. Did you use the skate to grind the rails? Or did you start before you got the parts?

blakekoehn Fri 22 January 2010 12:30

I had some bearings from another project so I built my own skate. It aint pretty but it works.

Grinding the angles was easy. It was getting em cut straight where I had the trouble.

blakekoehn Sat 23 January 2010 17:18

Progress Pictures
 
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Some proof that we aren't sleeping in Mississippi. :D

MetalHead Sat 23 January 2010 18:12

Yeah - Not sleepin at all :D Nice work.

blakekoehn Mon 25 January 2010 08:21

I see my title changed... just like magic!:D

blakekoehn Thu 28 January 2010 16:43

How are you passing the parallel connector into the control box? Do you cut it off and solder all the wires back together or is there something easier?

Polder48 Thu 28 January 2010 17:25

Hi Blake

Look at the solution from Alan C at this post

http://www.mechmate.com/forums/showt...3&postcount=25

Regards Polder

blakekoehn Thu 28 January 2010 17:34

I have this rectifier. I have 33 AC volts going into it and 87 DC volts coming out... What am I doing wrong? I have a 30 volt transformer so I was expecting something like 42 DC Volts.

bradm Thu 28 January 2010 18:20

Blake, it's not unusual for a completely unloaded power supply to give a high reading. Of course, you don't want to risk your expensive electronic devices to prove this. You can use a dummy load (resistor) across the output to get a measurement. A low wattage light bulb (like 15 or 25 watts) can act as a dummy load.

Gerald D Thu 28 January 2010 21:13

Blake, a rectifier cannot cause a 260% increase in voltage. My first reaction is that your voltmeter is (very) faulty. Can you provide some pictures of your wiring connections and your voltmeter setup?

Sergio-k Fri 29 January 2010 00:10

Blake

Did you wire the rectifier like this :

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/a...ectifier-1.png

blakekoehn Fri 29 January 2010 08:09

Yes I did Sergio. Thanks for taking the time to draw that very clear diagram. I wish I would have had it sooner because I had to do some digging to find out how to wire it.

The problem cleared itself up as I worked with it. I am not sure what happened but I am suspecting that it was a grounding problem. It is securely grounded now and reading correctly.

blakekoehn Fri 29 January 2010 21:48

Where is the information on how to set up Mach 3? Also this might be a stupid question but why is it that Shopbot software cannot control the MechMate?

Gerald D Sat 30 January 2010 00:53

Look at the Mach3 website for their support and videos.

The shopbot software only runs in their own controller. You can use a shopbot controller if you want to.

blakekoehn Sat 30 January 2010 08:40

Would their controller replace the breakout board? I already have my box put together with a PMDX-122 and I am planning to use Mach3. I loaded it up last night and I am endeavoring to figure it out. I had Shopbot 3 pretty much mastered. That is why I asked.

Gerald D Sat 30 January 2010 08:50

Yes, their controller replaces at least the PMDX-122, maybe more. I am not up to date with what they sell these days.

Gerald D Sat 30 January 2010 08:54

See this thread from July '08:
Version 201 Controller Board from ShopBot

blakekoehn Sat 30 January 2010 13:00

Kitchen Table Project
 
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Actually make that the Sign Shop Table Project.

blakekoehn Sat 30 January 2010 13:09

Page 4 of the PMDX-122 user manual located hereshows the options for powering the board. I have a standard 115acv to 9dcv adapter that will plug right into the coaxial jack on the breakout board. If I am understanding the manual correctly I can use that, am I right?

Gerald D Sat 30 January 2010 14:03

9VDC is fine. I have even used a 9V battery as a test.

blakekoehn Sat 30 January 2010 14:07

Thanks for the quick reply! I have not been able to get my motors to turn yet... Just kind of going over the whole thing trying to troubleshoot it.

Gerald D Sat 30 January 2010 14:11

Getting the motors to turn can be very frustrating. In the Troubleshooting section you will find some help if you get stuck.

blakekoehn Sat 30 January 2010 14:45

We Have LIFTOFF!!! It was the charge pump settings in mach3. Man you don't know how good that makes me feel!:D

jhiggins7 Sat 30 January 2010 14:46

Blake,

Be vary careful NOT to disconnect the Power Supply from the Gecko's "live."
The problem is that the Gecko's act to discharge the capacitor. If you don't have them connected when the power supply is turned off, there is no place for the charge on the capacitor to go.

Also, do not turn on the power supply while it is disconnected from the Gecko's, then turn it off and connect the Gecko's without discharging the capacitor. This is the same as putting a switch between the power supply and the Gecko's which is strictly forbidden by Geckodrive, Inc.

The best thing to do is to use a "low" value (1 to 5 ohms) "high" wattage (15 to 25 watts) resistor to discharge the capacitor if the Gecko's are not connected when you turn off the power supply. Just touch leads to the resistor to the two poles of the capacitor. You will draw a small arc. You should not use a straight piece of wire or screw driver for these large capacitors.

After verifying that your power supply is producing the correct voltage, you should connect it to the Gecko's and leave it connected. You should turn on and off the power supply on the AC side, not the DC side.

Hope this helps.

jhiggins7 Sat 30 January 2010 14:48

Congratulations...I know the feeling.:)

I was typing while you were posting your success.

KenC Sat 30 January 2010 20:42

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Originally Posted by jhiggins7 View Post
Blake,

The best thing to do is to use a "low" value (1 to 5 ohms) "high" wattage (15 to 25 watts) resistor to discharge the capacitor if the Gecko's are not connected when you turn off the power supply. Just touch leads to the resistor to the two poles of the capacitor. You will draw a small arc. You should not use a straight piece of wire or screw driver for these large capacitors.
I love the loud bang made by discharging the capacitor with a screw driver :)
Connecting a light bulb accross the cap is another way to discharge, you will know the cap is fully discharge when the light goes off.

Gerald D Sat 30 January 2010 23:58

Well done Blake!

blakekoehn Wed 03 February 2010 17:18

Complete except for cables
 
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All that is left is to hook up the motor cables. And install limit switches. I hope to have it operational tomorrow. The limit switches will have to wait till some more signs are complete. My wife is calling herself a Mechmate widow.:D

domino11 Wed 03 February 2010 19:03

Looking good Blake! :)

lumberjack_jeff Wed 03 February 2010 21:03

Very nice Blake!

MetalHead Wed 03 February 2010 21:39

Wow !!! :eek: Lookin great !!!


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