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MariusL Mon 19 December 2011 13:27

I thought I would give some feedback on the V rollers made from Ertalyte.
The machine has now been running for almost a year as a plasma cutter. It has been used a lot. I did fit a water pan underneath so the dust is limited. The wheels are still just as good as the day they were made. The stuff is amazing.

I am busy with a new machine, even bigger than the first and I will definitely fit Ertalyte rollers again.

This time I am going to try Red Loctite (Stud Grade) to hold the bearings.

jask Mon 19 December 2011 18:33

You might want to check with Loctite as to the application, they have tech sheets for most products. I know of a few cases where Loctite ( Blue 242 in this case...) caused failure in assemblies with plastic components that were chemically compromised. I am sure they can recommend a urethane or epoxy that will work.
Thanks for your updates on this option, I plan to try this when I (eventually) build.

MariusL Mon 19 December 2011 22:36

John,
I actually changed my mind about the Loctite and designed a V roller with a 2mm rib in the middle. Now the bearings are held in place by the bolt and washers. As my new machine will have a slight adjustment in the Y axis of the gantry, the slightly thicker wheel will not matter. I have a feeling the thicker wheel will fit into the standard Mechmate design.

danilom Tue 20 December 2011 03:07

You don't need to machine a ridge in the middle as it needs both side machining, just make a hole and then add a recess for a retainer ring

http://www.daemar.com/images/lg_RetainingRings.jpg

rischoof Tue 20 December 2011 09:06

loctite 648
 
I used loctite 648 "bevestiging met hoge sterkte" this means mounting with high strength. I mounted my bearings and gears with this. I made a mistake with my gear on the axis from my motor reduction and had to remove the gear.
I try to do this 12 hours after I mounted. I had to heat the gear and used a 2 ton press, an extension piece on the arm of the press and and I had to clamp the press to the table with some glue clamps. Finally I could remove the gear from the axis. but I could still feel my arm muscles next day. I didn't expect that it was that strong. and yes I have office job......
somebody used pertinax for guide wheels?

MariusL Tue 20 December 2011 09:14

Quote:
Originally Posted by danilom View Post
You don't need to machine a ridge in the middle as it needs both side machining, just make a hole and then add a recess for a retainer ring
My previous set was made just like that. I want to simplify. I have to turn the unit over to machine anyway.

digit Wed 21 December 2011 08:45

Take a look at MakerSlide project. It is an "open source" mechanical project. They make an aluminum extruded with integrated v-rail. Carriage move on v-roller / eccentric cam spacers / roller bearing. I'm wondering where the designer got the idea :confused:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...bearing-system
http://www.makerslide.com/

BTW it could be an excellent source for Derin vroller and eccentric cam spacers.

MariusL Wed 21 December 2011 15:16

They say that the biggest compliment you can pay someone is to copy their design.

The idea looks good but I have to say that I believe that those kind of bolt together assemblies are not good enough for serious production machines. My experience is that if you want a clean and accurate cut the machine must be very stable. No rattles and vibrations. The heavier the workings are the more stable.

digit Wed 21 December 2011 15:35

That target DIYer and small lightweight slide, not heavy duty medium power CNC machine. Some have use it as a camera slide JIG for example.

found a "MakerSlide Store"

$1 Double Bearing Delrin V Wheel
$2 Eccentric Spacer

unfortunately they are almost half the size required (5mm x 16mm x 5mm bearing)

http://store.makerslide.com/index.ph...jiltne355s1tv7

Mr Ron Sat 30 June 2012 12:22

I can see the advantage of plastic wheels, especially when used with aluminum rails. The plastic used doesn't have to have low friction properties. Very low friction might cause the plastic to slide rather than roll. Plastic would mean less wear on an aluminum rail, but on a steel rail, wear to the plastic could occur. Plastic is easy to machine, a +.

MariusL Sat 30 June 2012 15:06

Mr Ron,
My machine has been going for more than 4 years now and still no wear to the Ertalyte wheels. If you use the right plastic it will not wear on a steel rail and with bearings mounted inside it is impossible to stick.

The machine was converted to a plasma cutter about two years ago. It cuts every day and the rails are not cleaned on a regular basis. One would expect these conditions to worsen the case but, not so.


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