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pblackburn Wed 26 February 2014 18:25

On another note, anyone have experience with 0.063" cutters? Any tips would be helpful.

Tom Ayres Thu 27 February 2014 04:03

What type of cutter Pete?

pblackburn Thu 27 February 2014 05:33

Here

Tom Ayres Thu 27 February 2014 07:15

I'm familiar with the company but never purchased any of their products.

sailfl Thu 27 February 2014 09:48

Pete,

I use some from skycraft and you will have to experiment. They break easily naturally. You breath on them too heavy and they break. I pay a $1 for mine so it doesn't matter if they break.

pblackburn Thu 27 February 2014 22:15

Nils, I will see how I make out. Need to remove the copper film from copper-clad (Printed Circuit Board). The machinist I work with said he runs bits that small full out on the mill and I should not have much problem but I can not run below 6000 rpm on the spindle. I have seen chipbreakers recommended speeds of 20000 but I do not have one of them. I plan to make a true flat surface to mount the board to before trying to run this. I want to make sure I am only making a skim cuts and not hogging the material.

KenC Fri 28 February 2014 04:06

usually, for bits that tiny, it should be cutting at light speed. I crank it up to whatever my VFD can give. 400hz, 24000rpm, that will do.

pblackburn Fri 28 February 2014 14:53

Thanks Ken, I will give that a try.

pblackburn Tue 04 March 2014 23:05

So I am waiting for a piece of wood to be glued together for me to carve. I was interested in getting another touch probe for centering on circles. I did some researching and found plans online for a probe. I only had to make some minor modifications as I think the original designer had much smaller lathe tooling. I have the metal assembly finished, now I just have to cut out the printed circuit board and order the electronics. Most was machined by a friend. I made the bearing spacer and the styli. As far as how precise the Mechmate can cut. The bearing spacer was a 2 part process. I had to machine the bottom first out of a piece of teflon and cut it out. So I had to first surface prep a piece of wood to a given height and in that area create a square to match the square cutout for the bottom half. I flipped it over and placed it in the pocket. I set my zero offset for my touch off probe to the pocket machined height of the square the cut out the other side. All the measurements are within one thousandth or less. You can get good accuracy and precision with this machine.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7401/1...5032ffee_c.jpg
Touch Probe, on Flickr

darren salyer Wed 05 March 2014 07:18

That's awesome.

Tom Ayres Wed 05 March 2014 08:30

You da man!

Robert M Wed 05 March 2014 11:51

Well made.....
It's amazing how we appreciate nice & tight work !
Congrats !

Fox Wed 05 March 2014 12:09

Do you have an led in there for visual feedback !? An which plans did you follow !?

pblackburn Wed 05 March 2014 18:20

The plans I went off of are located here. Just scroll down the page to Touch Probe. Some nice other projects here as well.

Andrew_standen Thu 06 March 2014 04:04

Nice work, I like the knurling finish.

Tom Ayres Thu 06 March 2014 04:34

Can you make another on the cheap?

pblackburn Thu 06 March 2014 07:23

Tom,
I did not have much in it other than the circuit board, ball bearings and electronic components. The rest was laying around. All told, the cost to me was less than $20. So I cannot give an accurate estimate on the cost to make one from scratch.

pblackburn Thu 06 March 2014 07:27

Andrew,
I like knurling on metal. I have a hammer made from 304 stainless (handle and head) with removable soft faces. Its weight is around 7 lbs but is the same length as a 4 lb hammer. I knurled the handle for grip.

pblackburn Thu 06 March 2014 07:29

Fox,
The electronic components were ordered the other day. It has a 3mm led for visual indication.

darren salyer Thu 06 March 2014 07:34

Well Pete, as long as you are willing to make us all one for 20 dollars each, the true cost is irrelevant. :D
Seriously, nice job, sir.

pblackburn Thu 06 March 2014 07:55

You know at that price that order is always at the bottom of the pile. :D

pblackburn Sat 08 March 2014 12:55

Cut with the Mechmate, drilled with pin vises by hand.

Penny for size reference

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7299/1...624c8824fd.jpg
View 1, on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7431/1...69a483d8b0.jpg
View 2, on Flickr

darren salyer Sat 08 March 2014 13:08

Wow!!

Tom Ayres Sat 08 March 2014 13:50

Alright Pete, How much do you charge?

dbinokc Sat 08 March 2014 14:51

If you are interested in routing PCB's you might take a look at drillbitcity.com
They sell carbide PCB routing bits as well as drilling bits very cheaply. I have bought their drill sets for doing PCB work and they have worked very well for me. I will probably buy a set of the routing bits when my machine is running.

pblackburn Sat 08 March 2014 22:22

Darren,
It was a joy to watch the machine cut out the PCB. I used an engraving bit to outline the traces before pocketing. I unfortunately turned a 0.005" engraving bit into a 0.015" bit because I was running to high of feed. So I had to start that section over again and set the z zero tool height with the touch of probe on the side of the table. Since I needed to hand drill I used a center drill to locate. I made a 0.005" plunge mark at the center of each point that needed drilled. That was nice to see it work so well.

Tom,
I don't charge anything for knowledge. I try to share it freely. But I am hobby only. I do some stuff for others occasionally but that is very rare and usually only for the cost of materials. Like I said before, this machine was for building my cabinets and other stuff. Even if I was willing to make this, I could not charge for it because of the proprietary and confidentiality requirements of the prints. Can only be made for personal use.

DB,
Thanks for the information. This is the first board I have made since college almost two decades ago. But I will look into the bits.

Additional shots below

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2736/1...befa194271.jpg
Bearing spacer Top, on Flickr
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3761/1...229489f8a1.jpg
Bearing spacer Bottom, on Flickr
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3214/1...7e6a968bc6.jpg
Styli, on Flickr

pblackburn Wed 12 March 2014 18:05

Trying to find a board for additional 24VDC IO. Would be nice if modbus, any suggestions?

pblackburn Thu 13 March 2014 22:54

Video of circuit power test of probe HERE

Tom Ayres Fri 14 March 2014 05:23

Great! looks like it works. I wonder how much force is required to trigger a probe and if there's a certain amount of overdrive. Did you mill the probe tip or was that a purchase item? Are you going to use it just for finding zero points and/or image cloud mapping?

pblackburn Fri 14 March 2014 17:56

The probe tip was done on a lathe. I center drilled a stainless steel ball bearing and made the tip of the probe a slip fit for the end and set it with loctite. It takes very little force to activate. I have at times needed a better way to edge detect certain pieces. I have used an edge finder but the slowest I care to push the spindle is 1500 rpm for this type of thing since there is zero load on the motor. Normally I never go below 6000 on plastic and 8000 on wood. I am curious to find out the accuracy of it but first I need to acquire more inputs. I have all 9 of the ones available on the 126 used. I have exchanged email with Steve Stalings at PMDX and I am looking elsewhere as well. I have some limited options I can move around on the 126 but I am not sure of the direction to go yet. My brain has been loaded down with an installation of a robot at work and not much time to work on this.

Tom Ayres Sat 15 March 2014 06:26

I'm not a machinist guy and it amazes me that anyone can center drill a tiny ball bearing, I'm not even familiar with the equipment, how do you find center and what do you drill it with? wow

darren salyer Sat 15 March 2014 07:19

I thought the exact same thing, Tom.
it's impressive to me.

pblackburn Sat 15 March 2014 11:19

Stainless steel ball bearings only have a hardness of 45 RC which is still in the machining range. Regular steel ball bearings are in the 55 - 60 RC. It is all in the material that you are using and by stroke of luck that I decided to go with stainless bearings and not steel. Seeing how the smallest quantity of bearings I could buy was 100, I figured I had nothing to lose. The rest of the material was 4140 steel.

pblackburn Sat 15 March 2014 21:16

Still trying to drum up information on a modbus board for IO. Not much out there and what information I do find is minimal. Just spent 8 hours researching and I am still no further ahead than I was when I started. This is the part of DIY that causes most to pay an absorbent amount of money for something. My hardheadedness stops me from doing that though

racedirector Sat 15 March 2014 23:10

Have you looked at Homanndesigns in Aus? Peter H is a bit of a guru when it comes to modbus and is a damn helpful guy to boot. Address is:

http://www.homanndesigns.com/store/

KenC Sun 16 March 2014 03:14

Modbus info are fairly limited especially when one has no idea where to look for them.
If you would elaborate what you intend to do, what you want & what you need. maybe we can chip in some help.

danilom Sun 16 March 2014 04:30

I made one from Arduino, but never used it since the smoothstepper has 3 ports of IO.

pblackburn Sun 16 March 2014 09:54

Bruce,
I have an email to his webstore since yesterday.

Ken,
I would like to have more inputs. I don't need outputs. I have an abundance of outputs. Would be nice to add a pendant later that could be plugged into a port on the gantry. But what I really need is more inputs and about 10 would do for now. I do not like series connections on any circuit and want individual indication and feedback.

Danilo,
Which smoothstepper do you have? This was not an avenue I was looking toward but if it gets me more IO I may have to venture down that path.

danilom Sun 16 March 2014 10:01

Mine is usb , got it cheap 2 years ago. Ethernet one has 51 IO I think, that first port is set as "standard LPT" so only 5 inputs but the other two can all be in or out.
Its a win win, you get smoother operation, higher rapids (very steady pulse stream compared to LPT - confirmed by me) abundance of IO and you can use any computer or a laptop or x64 x86 OS. And no need for any brains or stuff like that.

I wire my inputs (buttons, etc) trough 24V DC relays

KenC Sun 16 March 2014 10:36

MCP230S13 io expander chip can give you 16 ports, choice of input or output , SPI through 2 wires (the serial pins), & you can connect with up to 16 chips with the same serial pins. I have no idea how to get them tie to the HAL though.
but since you only need 10 input, an arduino should do it with its 20 i/o pins. You can disguise your Arduino as a Modbus slave. here


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