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  #91  
Old Mon 23 December 2013, 23:47
Mrayhursh
Just call me: Hurshy
 
Riverview, Florida
United States of America
hmmmm, I said I am hearing impaired. I have lost nearly 80% of my hearing due to virus when I was a child. I continually hear ringing that covers up and distorts what I hear. My hearing aids are no longer of much help.
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  #92  
Old Tue 24 December 2013, 13:22
dbinokc
Just call me: DB #118
 
Oklahoma
United States of America
Control Panel

Finally some sunshine. It alsmost sounds like a rain storm outside with all the ice melting from the trees. I was finally able to chip the ice off the ibeam I have been using for rail grinding.

During that time I have finally started working on the control panel. Since the VFD requiers 220V, I decided to run everything from 220V instead of doing 115V for the PS and BOB. No problems there. Just remember to switch to BOB to 230V and wire up the transformer for 220V.

There is a 5V power supply sitting on the rail. I thought I was going to need it, but it turned out I did not. The BOB can supply 5V to the smoothstepper.

I hooked up my ethernet smoothstepper to the BOB and was able to successfully connect to it using Mach3. No stepper motor tests yet. I did not have the crimp connects I wanted for hooking the stepper to the cable.

A hole was cut in the panel to allow the heatsink to be mounted outside. I did not see the point of having a nice big heatsink locked up inside the panel where all it would do is contribute to the heat load inside the panel. Hopefully this will also allow me to not have to attach a fan to the panel

Everything will get pulled apart one last time for some more hole drilling and painting. However the pics show pretty much what I will have when it is done.

I also had not posted a pic of the end rails and casters in place. That is below as well.
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  #93  
Old Tue 24 December 2013, 17:17
Tom Ayres
Just call me: Tom #117
 
Bassett (VA)
United States of America
Man you're putting me to shame here, I can't even get from the front door of the house to the shop door without the wife having me do something. Your build is coming along beautifully! Merry Christmas!
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  #94  
Old Wed 25 December 2013, 06:56
Robert M
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Lac-Brome, Qc
Canada
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Nicely done DB….Like this main kill switch !
Where did this one come from ??
Merry one to you too @_@
Robert
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  #95  
Old Wed 25 December 2013, 07:25
darren salyer
Just call me: Darren #101
 
Wentzville mo
United States of America
I have a similar heatsink mounted in the same manner, and have never had an overheat issue, even when the shop hovers in the upper 90s F.
Everything is looking really good.
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  #96  
Old Wed 25 December 2013, 10:24
dbinokc
Just call me: DB #118
 
Oklahoma
United States of America
Thanks for the comments all.

Robert,
The switches were purchased from Metalhead.

Darren,
Your thread is one that I have looked at frequently for both technical information and inspiration. I am sure your pics of the heatsink mounted outside the cabinet influenced my decision to do the same. In fact your pic of the proximity switch setup reminded me that I need to get those ordered.
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  #97  
Old Wed 25 December 2013, 12:16
pblackburn
Just call me: Pete #98
 
South-Central Pennsylvania
United States of America
The Geckos need a heat sink if you are using 3A or over. I have one from PDMX that supports 4 drives and another from an old welder SCR for the 4th axis. Automation Direct is another of many suppliers for through the door disconnects.
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  #98  
Old Wed 25 December 2013, 15:31
dbinokc
Just call me: DB #118
 
Oklahoma
United States of America
First Rail Beveled

Beveled my first rail. I used the 36 grit sanding disk over a rigid disk and it cut just fine. Hardly any wear on the 36 grit disk.

One other thing I did was to use a big Magnum permanent ink marker to mark the metal so I could better idea of my progress and take measurements as I made the cut.

About 2 or 3 hours was spent setting up the skate and making sure I was happy with how it fit. It probably took about 1.5 hours to bevel the rail. Hopefully I can knock out the other three tomorrow.
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  #99  
Old Thu 26 December 2013, 16:27
dbinokc
Just call me: DB #118
 
Oklahoma
United States of America
Remaining rails beveled

Last three rails beveled today. Took about 1.5 hours each. It took two 36 grit sanding disks. However in hindsight I think it would have been better to have just used a fresh disk for each rail. I am happy with how the rails turned out as is. I do not plan to polish them down with finer grits.

Tomorrow I will go into town to get mdf and plywood for the support and spoil boards. I plan on going 3/4 inch plywood for the support board. I do not trust MDF's long term durability and stability in humid Oklahoma. However I will use MDF for the spoil board since it is cheaper and will be milled down from time to time anyway.
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  #100  
Old Thu 26 December 2013, 16:41
Mrayhursh
Just call me: Hurshy
 
Riverview, Florida
United States of America
DB
I see you have 120 VAC running into the PMDX-126. On the side where the Smooth stepper is mounted you have wires running from the power supply to the PMDX-126. Is this a 48vdc? What is it connected to?
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  #101  
Old Thu 26 December 2013, 16:56
dbinokc
Just call me: DB #118
 
Oklahoma
United States of America
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrayhursh View Post
DB
I see you have 120 VAC running into the PMDX-126. On the side where the Smooth stepper is mounted you have wires running from the power supply to the PMDX-126. Is this a 48vdc? What is it connected to?
Actually the BOB(PMDX-126) is running from 230V. You can select between 115/230 on the board. The power supply, an Antek PS-5N42, was also wired to use 230V.

The yellow and green wires running from the power supply only go to motherboard. I suppose the picture does make it look like it is going into the 126 though.

This was just a rough setup of the control panel. I have to pull everything out one more time to paint, drill some more holes and neaten up the wiring.
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  #102  
Old Thu 26 December 2013, 17:57
pblackburn
Just call me: Pete #98
 
South-Central Pennsylvania
United States of America
As long as it is not getting wet, MDF should serve the purpose. Plywood has an amazing ability to warp in humidity also plus the laminated plys can separate. So I think it is a catch 22.
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  #103  
Old Fri 27 December 2013, 05:41
KenC
Just call me: Ken
 
Klang
Malaysia
Marine ply don't warp as much but comes with a biggest price tag.
BTW, MDF does work... As long as you do your sealing properly. If you need confirmation, I can be one.
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  #104  
Old Fri 27 December 2013, 11:25
darren salyer
Just call me: Darren #101
 
Wentzville mo
United States of America
I've had an MDF support board now for 2 years in humid St. Louis, Mo.
I rolled on two coats of Minwax polyurethane on all 6 surfaces, before installing and it looks as good as the day it was installed.
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  #105  
Old Fri 27 December 2013, 12:42
smreish
Just call me: Sean - #5, 28, 58 and others
 
Orlando, Florida
United States of America
MDF in florida....and doing just fine.
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  #106  
Old Fri 27 December 2013, 12:47
Zouave
Just call me: Eric #115
 
Sacramento, CA
United States of America
Darren, do you have a Z-zero plate that you use to keep from cutting into the top surface, or do you just periodically roll on a new coat of Poly?
I've had no problems with my MDF, but then again, I'm just running a surface program periodically.
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  #107  
Old Fri 27 December 2013, 13:16
darren salyer
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Wentzville mo
United States of America
I have a spoilboard above my support board. The spoilboard has a vacuum grid machined into the underside.
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  #108  
Old Fri 27 December 2013, 18:35
Robert M
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Lac-Brome, Qc
Canada
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You guys in some humid area, you should consider EXTIRA.
An MDF alike made for outdoor usage
Since I've moved ( 3ys ago) I'm using this extria as in summer time I get easily 80%++ humidity on a regular basis !
It's a little more money then regular MDF.....but cheaper than coating one

Hope this helps !
Later
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  #109  
Old Fri 27 December 2013, 20:51
dbinokc
Just call me: DB #118
 
Oklahoma
United States of America
Support board in place

Support board is added. Pic attached. I used elevator bolts for the attachment. I purposely did not say support board attached, because I am waiting for some bevel washers to come in, so the nuts will sit a little more nicely on the C-channel.

I did stick with the plywood for the support board. I guess we will see how well it works. If I could say there is a downside to the plywood at this point, is that it is more prone to tearing.

Another thing in 20/20 hindsight is that it probably would not have hurt to allow extra 1/2 to 1 inch overhang from the ends . The edges of the elevator bolts are a little closer to the edge than I would like and there was problems with tearout being so close to the edge.

Because of the C-channel, it was not possible to fit a drill to drill the hole. Instead, I used a short piece of 3/8 rod with the end well coated in permanent marker ink. I put this in the hole and pressed it against the board. This left a mark on the board that I could use to drill out the board when flipped over.
To countersink the heads of the elevator bolts I used a forstener bit attached to a drill guide. A sacraficial board was also attached to the drill guide to contain the forstener bit since a hole had already been drilled by that time. It did not come out as pretty as I would have liked, but it did the job. Of course, most of those bolts will be covered with MDF.

Next up is to cut the x-rails to length and verify my measurements so I can cut the tubing for the Y axis. Tomorrow is the last nice weather day I will have and I would like to get the Y axis welded up and painted.
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  #110  
Old Sat 28 December 2013, 06:22
darren salyer
Just call me: Darren #101
 
Wentzville mo
United States of America
Looking good DB!!
You'll be making dust in no time....
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  #111  
Old Sat 28 December 2013, 09:51
KenC
Just call me: Ken
 
Klang
Malaysia
The elevator bolts is a nice touch
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  #112  
Old Sat 28 December 2013, 18:58
dbinokc
Just call me: DB #118
 
Oklahoma
United States of America
Small bow in x-rail

While checking my X-rails straightness with a string, I am seeing about a .5mm to 1mm bow in one rail and a 1.5mm to 2mm bow in the other rail.

The bow is in the direction of the long side.

How should I deal with this? Should I just try to straighten it when I bolt it down or do I need to do some heat straightening? I do not have a MIG welder, but I do have arc, TIG and aceylene.
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  #113  
Old Sat 28 December 2013, 19:45
pblackburn
Just call me: Pete #98
 
South-Central Pennsylvania
United States of America
No rails are perfect. When you say bow, do you mean up and down or in and out. If it is in to out, you can slot the rail holes you will be able to set them when you use your pre-cut spacing bar and lock down the rails. Up and down, first make sure you are using either piano wire or a really good mason cord and it needs stretched very taunt (gravity is a powerful thing). Shim with any good shim stock, many use aluminum cans.
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  #114  
Old Sat 28 December 2013, 20:43
dbinokc
Just call me: DB #118
 
Oklahoma
United States of America
There is some bowing up/down as well, but that can be handled with shims as you say.

The bowing I am concerned about is in/out. Specifically the peak of the bow is on the is in the direction of the long side of the rail.

If those deflections are considered small enough to handle with the spacing bar and slots, then I will handle it that way.
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Old Sat 28 December 2013, 20:54
pblackburn
Just call me: Pete #98
 
South-Central Pennsylvania
United States of America
Mine had a bow of 3" end to end. It pulls into place with a little muscle. I had to slot some of my holes to align. Some of it was stubborn and I had to use C-clamps to pull it to position.
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  #116  
Old Sun 29 December 2013, 04:37
KenC
Just call me: Ken
 
Klang
Malaysia
Your rail is perfect, a perfect rail is one which bow, curve & twist before you shim & line it. I use plenty F-clamps to persuade my rails to conform with my fishing line.
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  #117  
Old Sun 29 December 2013, 05:39
Tom Ayres
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Bassett (VA)
United States of America
DB, not to change the subject, I lived in Oklahoma for 13 years in various places, Yukon, OKC and Tulsa, college in Stillwater. Where in Oklahoma do you live?
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  #118  
Old Sun 29 December 2013, 08:43
dbinokc
Just call me: DB #118
 
Oklahoma
United States of America
Tom,
I live on the far southeast side of OKC. Except for my time in Air Force, I lived in OKC area since 1980.
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  #119  
Old Sun 29 December 2013, 10:18
Tom Ayres
Just call me: Tom #117
 
Bassett (VA)
United States of America
Around Tinker I guess, or Midwest City? I lived in SE for a brief period too.
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Old Sun 29 December 2013, 10:47
dbinokc
Just call me: DB #118
 
Oklahoma
United States of America
Actually about halfway between Tinker and Shawnee.
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