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  #241  
Old Tue 30 August 2011, 09:33
gixi
Just call me: Marius (AVO) #32
 
Bucharest
Romania
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Nice work

I must recognize that you inspire me a lot. Specially the way to fit one piece in other. Welding becomes a kid's play.
Here are a pic of my table:
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  #242  
Old Tue 30 August 2011, 09:54
IN-WondeR
Just call me: Kim
 
Randers
Denmark
Hey Marius

Correct, puzzle connections make it very easy to weld things up true and straight.. Your new table also looks good, looks a bit small though, are you downscaling from full size to smaller size?
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  #243  
Old Wed 31 August 2011, 05:21
gixi
Just call me: Marius (AVO) #32
 
Bucharest
Romania
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Yes it's a small size 800x1600 working surface but is for small pieces and will have an indexer.
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  #244  
Old Wed 31 August 2011, 06:48
IN-WondeR
Just call me: Kim
 
Randers
Denmark
Very nice, I'm also looking into adding an indexer at some point, but it's still on the drawing table so to speak.
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  #245  
Old Wed 31 August 2011, 16:17
PEU
Just call me: Pablo
 
Buenos Aires
Argentina
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Originally Posted by gixi View Post
Yes it's a small size 800x1600 working surface but is for small pieces and will have an indexer.
Did you modeled it before assembly? that size, maybe a little smaller, is what I have in mind, if you can share it it would be great. Very Nice too!!
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  #246  
Old Fri 16 September 2011, 05:04
Allegheny
Just call me: Brian
 
Massachusetts
United States of America
Hi Kim,

I am slowly getting closer to starting a build and the more I look at this thread, the more convinced I become that linear bearing slides are the way to go.

I was wondering if you could tell us what size your used for each axis? SBR12 or 16, and maybe even 20 would seem to be too small for the X-axis, so I would guesstimate that you used either SBR25 or 30 for the X and Y, and 16 or 20 for the Z-slides.

In retrospect, given the performance of the machine, would you have gone larger, or smaller, with those slides? And why?

Also, three meter lengths of slides, if even available, are exceedingly expensive so most people just butt shorter lengths together. If you used this latter configuration, did you just simply butt them together or did you have the opposing ends precision bored (usually in a lathe) for dowel pins?

Cheers,

Brian
Taxachusetts
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  #247  
Old Fri 16 September 2011, 05:08
danilom
Just call me: Danilo #64
 
Novi Sad
Serbia
Regarding the linear bearings be sure to watch this very informative video.
It will help you see the needed precision for mounting rails and their use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq4Pis6Zhf4
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  #248  
Old Fri 16 September 2011, 05:21
Allegheny
Just call me: Brian
 
Massachusetts
United States of America
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Originally Posted by danilom View Post
Regarding the linear bearings be sure to watch this very informative video.
It will help you see the needed precision for mounting rails and their use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq4Pis6Zhf4
That was very interesting. The main take away message for me was the ability of the round rails to self-align. Given that our machines may not be perfectly flat straight and/or square (especially after welding), square rails may not be the better choice.

Thanx,

Brian
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  #249  
Old Sat 17 September 2011, 02:23
IN-WondeR
Just call me: Kim
 
Randers
Denmark
Quote:
Hi Kim,

I am slowly getting closer to starting a build and the more I look at this thread, the more convinced I become that linear bearing slides are the way to go.

I was wondering if you could tell us what size your used for each axis? SBR12 or 16, and maybe even 20 would seem to be too small for the X-axis, so I would guesstimate that you used either SBR25 or 30 for the X and Y, and 16 or 20 for the Z-slides.

In retrospect, given the performance of the machine, would you have gone larger, or smaller, with those slides? And why?

Also, three meter lengths of slides, if even available, are exceedingly expensive so most people just butt shorter lengths together. If you used this latter configuration, did you just simply butt them together or did you have the opposing ends precision bored (usually in a lathe) for dowel pins?

Cheers,

Brian
Taxachusetts
Hi Allehegny

The rails I used for my X axis is 20mm rails, and the y and z axis is only 16mm rails.. They are more than strong enough to hold the forces of the machine when in motion and when cutting. After I have fitted my gearboxes, my rack and pinions and my ballscrew, the performance of the machine it self have been significantly improved...
I have not yet had time to do some good quality testing yet, because of my new job, so I can't really tell you about the precision, but I expect it to be something around 0.1-0.3mm precision on all axis.. Which is more than enough for my needs.

The X-rails by the way is full length of 3meters, no butting here...
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  #250  
Old Sat 17 September 2011, 07:15
KenC
Just call me: Ken
 
Klang
Malaysia
Hi Kim,
how about dust getting into the linear bush? Linear bush are notorious with thier dust proofing characteristics as far as I know.
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  #251  
Old Sat 17 September 2011, 07:42
IN-WondeR
Just call me: Kim
 
Randers
Denmark
Ken

That problem should you be able to prevent by adding some good dust extraction to the machine. Right now I have none, so I dust off as much as I can. But so far so good, no dust in the bearings yet. There is a good scraber ring on the bearings, so dust do not actually enter the bearing. But still good dust extraction is always a good idea.
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  #252  
Old Sat 17 September 2011, 11:36
Allegheny
Just call me: Brian
 
Massachusetts
United States of America
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Hi Kim,
how about dust getting into the linear bush? Linear bush are notorious with thier dust proofing characteristics as far as I know.
How about some tightly fitting rigid felt wipers on both faces of the bearing blocks?

I don't know exactly how you would do this for a CNC router, but in the machine tool world, the felt is cut to closely match the shape of the ways and a brass cover, of at least 16 gauge thickness and clearing the machine's ways (or, in this case, the linear bearing) by no more than 0.060", or a nominal 1/16", is also fabricated. Provision then is made to affix this sandwich to the block using a minimum of three machine screws. For machine tools, the felt would be further saturated with way oil, but that would attract and hold MDF dust and make for an interesting combination, to say the least - who knows, it might even work better. Furthermore, I'm not sure how the bearing blocks would tolerate the oil.

Rigid felt is available in sheets in several thicknesses and of varying stiffness from industrial supply houses. In the States, McMaster-Carr or MSC are good places to look.

Brian
Taxachusetts
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  #253  
Old Sat 17 September 2011, 14:17
Alan_c
Just call me: Alan (#11)
 
Cape Town (Western Cape)
South Africa
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I really dont think you need to be too concerned regarding dust ingress into linear bearings, if it was much of a problem the big iron manufacturers would have found a different solution, I cant recall a single big iron machine (SCM, Biesse, Weeke, Multicam etc etc) using anything else but linear bearings. I had a Biesse and an SCM working with copious amounts of MDF dust over a six year period (2x 8 hour shifts 5 days per week) without any negative effects - Note regular servicing and greasing was done (SCM had auto centralised greasing system - Biesse was manual)
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  #254  
Old Sat 17 September 2011, 16:39
danilom
Just call me: Danilo #64
 
Novi Sad
Serbia
Had a clog once, after oiling the wheels on Z axis in the same day I cut MDF and styrofoam.
Foam being driven by static charge flew onto wheels and slide, mixed with grease and finally cemented with fine mdf dust. I left out the cleaning after work that day, and in the morning it was so sticky, barely able to move.
So proper dust extraction, cleaning of guide ways and motion systems is essential. No way that unattended machine can work covered in dust.

Metal working machines have all the guides well hidden and lubricate them all the time automatically so they last a long time.
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  #255  
Old Sat 17 September 2011, 18:08
smreish
Just call me: Sean - #5, 28, 58 and others
 
Orlando, Florida
United States of America
I wiped my machine down about once a week. A good liberal spraying of slicktop (table saw top) on my rails and rack kept everything slick and mostly clean. When cutting foam, it was a constant effort to hand vac the areas of the machine the standard dust collection.

I second the comments - no worries....just regular attention to keep it all working.
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  #256  
Old Sat 17 September 2011, 19:26
ger21
Just call me: Ger
 
Detroit, MI
United States of America
You can also buy double seals and scrapers in addition to the stock rubber seals.
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  #257  
Old Mon 19 September 2011, 04:58
Drew
Just call me: Drew
 
Copenhagen
Denmark
Hi Kim
I also live in Denmark and we have already built a Mechmate in our workshop. However we built the rails in alluminum and now want to make them in steel. Did you buy your rails and can you share the contact? Or did you make them yourself and can you share the plans or your angle skate?
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  #258  
Old Mon 19 September 2011, 14:37
IN-WondeR
Just call me: Kim
 
Randers
Denmark
Hi Drew.

No secrets as to where I bought my linear rails.

www.slidesandballscrews.co.uk

Price was fair enough, and he delivered in full length to me. Me a bit carefull though, his packaging could be better, thank god for the materials ability to flex a bit when you mount it.
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  #259  
Old Mon 26 December 2011, 13:34
IN-WondeR
Just call me: Kim
 
Randers
Denmark
I'm a mad builder.

Sold the last one and am in the progress of building again.

Follow the thread here.
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/cnc_wo...x8_router.html

Here's a look at the present look. I bet one person inhere can see something familiar.
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  #260  
Old Mon 26 December 2011, 14:26
Alan_c
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Cape Town (Western Cape)
South Africa
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That looks very nice, I like it.
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  #261  
Old Mon 26 December 2011, 14:31
myousry
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alexandria
Egypt
hi kim me also in the process of building something like yours
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  #262  
Old Wed 21 March 2012, 13:09
IN-WondeR
Just call me: Kim
 
Randers
Denmark
The main reason for the increased cost on my own design, is primarily weight and rigidity.

My machine weighs in at +1200kg and is so strong built that it will not have any chance of flexing what so ever.

Even my gantry weighs in at more than 180kg. The Gantry beam it self weighs a massive 90kg.
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  #263  
Old Wed 21 March 2012, 17:29
TechGladiator
Just call me: Miguel #94
 
Randolph, NJ
United States of America
Nice looking machine Kim...

Although I don't think a MechMate for the same size weights much less at all. If I was to guess my machine is probably closer for 2000lbs.. Maybe I am completely wrong about the weight.
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  #264  
Old Wed 21 March 2012, 19:59
IN-WondeR
Just call me: Kim
 
Randers
Denmark
I did calculate the weight of my mechmate which was no more than around 6-700kg so I think there's a big difference in weight. My x axis beams weighs 180kg pr side which is the same weight as both the longitudal beams on the mechmate. Already there i'm up 180 kg on the mechmate.

But still 4-500 kg is a big difference in weight.
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  #265  
Old Wed 21 March 2012, 21:39
KenC
Just call me: Ken
 
Klang
Malaysia
Kim, nice machine!
On your heavy machine, do you see real improvement over the cut quality over light duty MM?
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  #266  
Old Thu 22 March 2012, 00:35
IN-WondeR
Just call me: Kim
 
Randers
Denmark
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Kim, nice machine!
On your heavy machine, do you see real improvement over the cut quality over light duty MM?
The major difference I see is the ability to not have any chatter on circles of any kind, other things like errors are not as hazardouz on mine as on the MM. If I accidently make a plunge error, so the bit is too low, then I don't have to fear that the gantry comes of it's rollers or anything. In my initial setup of my Z axis, I accidently lost steps trying to peck drill with a endmill. When it wen't to the next hole it had lost enough steps so it was a bit over 1/2" into a 3/4 sheet of MDF when it suddenty pulled my 5mm endmill in the sheet at 12000mm/min, the only thing that moved a bit was the test sheet, the cut was actually allright and the endmill still lives to this day.
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  #267  
Old Mon 11 June 2012, 02:19
nightwinter
Just call me: BIG D
 
Tyne & Wear
United Kingdom
I have truly enjoyed reading your build, and you have a great machine well done!!

Just a quick question did you have to do any milling to any of the gantry on the ends where they join to the uprights from the rails in order to have a true gantry?
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  #268  
Old Tue 12 June 2012, 00:24
IN-WondeR
Just call me: Kim
 
Randers
Denmark
No I did not do any milling of the ends where they meet the uprights. Having things like that done here in Denmark, is quite costly...

I have shimmed the Z axis upon mounting it...
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  #269  
Old Tue 12 June 2012, 07:36
Richards
Just call me: Mike
 
South Jordan, UT
United States of America
Please post some photos of your cut quality, especially curves to show chatter or lack of chatter.
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  #270  
Old Wed 13 June 2012, 01:41
IN-WondeR
Just call me: Kim
 
Randers
Denmark
There is next to no chatter at all in circles and such. But at very low speeds the bigger motors resonate a lot, so it might give a touch of chatter at low speeds, but I'll try and change the PSU and give them a little less power, right now they get 70V DC, so it's quite alot.. I'll try with 48V instead.
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