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Old Thu 17 October 2013, 20:14
Mrayhursh
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Riverview, Florida
United States of America
Gantry Weight, The Hol(e)y One

I have heard in the past that you want to keep the total weight of the gantry as low as possible. Less strain on the stepper motors and maybe quicker response. If this is true would it be a good Idea to drill a series of varies size holes to lessen the weight of the cross member tubes. I know they do this in the aircraft industry. Would it be a good idea here.
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Old Thu 17 October 2013, 21:42
lonestaral
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Isarn
Thailand
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Personally I would not bother.
Extra work and somewhere else for the dust to go.
Probably fill up with spider webs as well.
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Old Fri 18 October 2013, 10:26
smreish
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Orlando, Florida
United States of America
Don't do it. The machine is balanced and works within parameters as designed.
If you need hyperfast speeds (like in plasma cutting), you may want to look a something really light, but otherwise don't bother.

I think somewhere in the past when KIM was building, this was addressed by Gerald and it was non-issue. If I remember correctly, it actually was detrimental in some mechanical aspects.
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Old Fri 18 October 2013, 10:28
KenC
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Klang
Malaysia
If you are that paranoid, why don't you drill whatever holes you fancy after you get one running.
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Old Fri 18 October 2013, 13:47
zumergido
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BS AS
Argentina
i have made some test on the tubes and they bend on the middle when the spindle pass. like 0.5mm and i have 4mm thick tubes.
maybe take some material from the gantry parts. but the machine is fast enough mine run 12000mm /min with no isues no reduction. but i feel more confortable on 9000mm or less.
in fact i consider on fill the tubes with concrete to make it more rigid. the steppers have plenty of power, more if i put some 4.1 reductions.
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Old Fri 18 October 2013, 19:27
Mrayhursh
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Riverview, Florida
United States of America
Ok, Thanks

Well. because I do not need anymore spiders in the garage. Lord, I have enough already. I still have the scars from when I was bitten 52 times. I will not proceed, but I appreciate the input.
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Old Mon 21 October 2013, 20:00
zumergido
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BS AS
Argentina
lucky you don't live in australia...
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Old Mon 21 October 2013, 21:11
Mrayhursh
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Riverview, Florida
United States of America
You're Right

yeah the spiders you have there can kill and eat birds. Where I live I have never heard anybody say "a dingo took my baby"
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Old Tue 22 October 2013, 04:10
Tom Ayres
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Bassett (VA)
United States of America
Too funny. I think you should wait for such modifications, steel flexes more than one thinks, add inertia and other movement factors, could make a 'hole' lot of flex IMHO

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Old Tue 22 October 2013, 04:32
lonestaral
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Isarn
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Snakes and scorpions here.

The cat brought a snake into the house this afternoon.
The King Cobras can grow 5M +
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Old Tue 22 October 2013, 08:30
Mrayhursh
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Riverview, Florida
United States of America
I don't like spiders and snakes

Yeah reptile lovers are bringing those critters to Florida. We now have large lizards and snakes. Not to mention the government saved the gator from extinction. Now tourist can have their toy poodles eaten as a snack. My neighbors wanted me to take out the gator in the pond behind their house. No thanks,
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Old Tue 22 October 2013, 17:46
Tom Ayres
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Bassett (VA)
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Is she a real dog?
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Old Wed 23 October 2013, 23:01
swatkins
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Houston
United States of America
This caught my attention..

Quote:
Originally Posted by zumergido View Post
i have made some test on the tubes and they bend on the middle when the spindle pass. like 0.5mm and i have 4mm thick tubes.
As 0.5mm = 0.020 inches I was surprised that the MM would flex that much...

Is this amount of flex normal for most people?
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Old Wed 23 October 2013, 23:24
Mrayhursh
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Riverview, Florida
United States of America
No Ready Yet

That is a great test. I am not ready to try it yet but I look forward to trying it. Thanks for doing it.
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Old Thu 24 October 2013, 02:52
danilom
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Novi Sad
Serbia
My 2070mm cutting width gantry and 4mm thick tubes bends 0.5 with some 50kg applied on the car Y-car on top.
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Old Thu 24 October 2013, 08:51
smreish
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Orlando, Florida
United States of America
I used 4.76 mm tube, never really noticed a .020 deflection (72" wide gantry)
Of course, I didn't put a run out gauge on it either.
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Old Thu 24 October 2013, 19:41
swatkins
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Houston
United States of America
A long time ago we hashed out the "light v heavy" problem... http://www.mechmate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232

I had 6.4 mm, or .250", wall thickness material on hand when I started the build. It was determined that size was going to be ok for my machine. Since then I have acquired some 1/8 wall 4 x 2 material and was considering using that instead.

This talk of the gantry flexing .020" has pushed me back to the thicker material!
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Old Sat 26 October 2013, 22:53
domino11
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Cornwall, Ontario
Canada
Sean,
I believe you used 1/4 inch tube on one of your machines didnt you?
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Old Tue 29 October 2013, 15:22
smreish
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Orlando, Florida
United States of America
Heath,
I did use 1/4" wall tube on #28 with 7.2 geared motors.
The machine is not lighting quick, but respectable 250-280 IPM cuts with decent acceleration. The FAST jogs are slower due to the mass, but I found it an easier build by tapping all the rail holes and eliminating the clamp strip.

Worked just fine and is working fine still to this day.

Sean
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Old Tue 29 October 2013, 18:45
Mrayhursh
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Riverview, Florida
United States of America
Y-Axis Steel Tube

I measured mine today and it was 1/8 inch wall. I am going to stress load it tomorrow with 25, 50, 75 lbs. and see what deflection I get.
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Old Tue 29 October 2013, 20:00
Tom Ayres
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Bassett (VA)
United States of America
Mine is .180 inch thick (just under 3/16"). It may be a good balance between the two. I'll check it out once I get it together.
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Old Wed 30 October 2013, 06:48
darren salyer
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Wentzville mo
United States of America
Mine is 3/16".
All this talk about fast speeds.....most of the cutting I do is with a .25 end mill.
If I go over 100" per minute, bits start breaking too frequently.
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Old Wed 30 October 2013, 08:47
KenC
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Klang
Malaysia
If the bits don't break, something else will break
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Old Wed 30 October 2013, 10:48
dbinokc
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Oklahoma
United States of America
I am not a mechanical engineer, but the bending of the beam should be a pretty straight forward beam deflection problem. A freely supported beam, with two point forces applied. Calculate the deflection.

If the deflection of the beam were too much, instead of going with a thicker walled beam, perhaps a piece of T-section could be bolted or welded to the bottom to provide addition resistance to flexing while minimizing added weight.

Anyone here with some real ME experience?

Edit: There is a calculator here
http://www.engineersedge.com/beam_be...flection_4.htm

Tube properties
http://www.engineersedge.com/calcula...re_case_10.htm

Last edited by dbinokc; Wed 30 October 2013 at 10:58.. Reason: Links added
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Old Wed 30 October 2013, 20:29
Tom Ayres
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Bassett (VA)
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DB, I have zippo ME experience. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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Old Mon 11 November 2013, 05:49
lonestaral
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Isarn
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First spider

Hey Hurshy,
I told you the spiders would invade.
The first one moved in last night.
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Old Mon 11 November 2013, 17:18
Mrayhursh
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Riverview, Florida
United States of America
Sure Did

Mechmate spiders they are the worse kind.
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