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Old Sun 27 August 2006, 11:44
Gerald_D
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1020440S Cross Member Tubes

In this thread we can talk about:
- what if 100x50 box section is not available?
- can the wall thickness be thicker or thinner?
- how long must the tubes be to replace a SB gantry?
- what if they are not cut square?
- etc. Anything to do with the selection of material, size, shape of cutting the cross tubes/members.
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Old Sat 09 December 2006, 17:02
Kim Mortensen
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I'm about to get these cut for my Y Gantry. Is my reading the plans correct, that the beems should be 500mm longer than the max size of the workpiece I'm going to use in the machine..???

I mean, if the max board size is 1220*2440 mm the I need to make the Y-size 500 mm longer, ia. 1720mm and the X lenght is going to be 3040mm long right..??????
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Old Sat 09 December 2006, 22:18
Gerald_D
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Yes, the drawing 102044S is correct. This how the 500mm is used:..............

1. the center of the cutter must be able to move further than the edge of the board because you often use the side of a cutter to cut the edge. Allowing the center of the cutter to move 50mm past on all sides adds 100mm to the beams.

2. The wheels of the car riding on the gantry must not fall off the ends of the rails. The distance between the Y-car wheels is 381mm and so we need to add that to the 100mm above.

Total 481mm. Using 500mm then leaves less than 10mm tolerance on each end.

(for the x-rails the distance between the gantry's wheels is 475mm leaving 12.5mm tolerance each end)
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Old Tue 26 June 2007, 21:42
Doug_Ford
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Conway (Arkansas)
United States of America
1020440S Cross Member Tubes

Gerald,

I got a great deal on 2"x4"X1/4" tube at the local scrap yard. Do you think this will be too heavy for the cross member tubes in the gantry or will it be okay? I priced new 1/8" stock at a local supplier and he wants $120. Yeow!

Doug
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Old Tue 26 June 2007, 22:19
Gerald D
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Cape Town
South Africa
A heavy gantry means that the machine must slow down a lot before it can take a sharp corner. I think that the 1/4" will be too heavy.
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Old Fri 19 October 2007, 08:53
ldorta
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Curitiba (PR)
Brazil
Hi friends.. the cut of mine 100x50 pipes are not realy square... on the afternoon I can post some pics. My doubt is:
What`s the square tolerance to this cuts?

Leandro
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Old Fri 19 October 2007, 13:53
Gerald D
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Cape Town
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Look at Note 2 on the drawing for cutting the tubes
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Old Mon 22 December 2008, 21:20
dragonfinder1
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Astoria, Oregon
United States of America
100 x 50 mm tubes

Gerald

I want to cut 1525mm ( 60 in ). So my tubes should be 1525 + 500 = 2025 mm long, is this correct? Sorry for the dumb question. I'm getting the metal as soon as the roads clear up enough to pull a trailer on safely. It only takes a few inches of snow and the Pacific North West Coast shuts down.

Dave
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Old Mon 22 December 2008, 23:03
Gerald D
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Cape Town
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That's what the drawing says.
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Old Thu 12 February 2009, 15:26
Jeffn11
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Greensboro, NC
United States of America
Hey Guys - Local steel supplier doesn't have 14 gauge for the gantry tube - can I move to 11 gauge and still be okay? - Not much weight difference.
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Old Thu 12 February 2009, 23:53
Gerald D
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Sounds okay, but I am not familiar with gauge sizes. The tube can be 2-3mm wall thickness. You might have to drop your acceleration setting for heavier metal.
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Old Fri 13 February 2009, 06:05
smreish
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Orlando, Florida
United States of America
Gerald and Jeff.
I used 2 different wall sizes mentioned in both machines. 11 gauge on mine and 3/16" wall on Nils machines. The added weight & mass, using the geared motors, has not been noticed. The 11 gauge, which is 1/8" thickness, is a little easier to weld to. The 3/16 wall on Nils machine was really nice because I was able to tap his Tube members and not use the clamping strip internally. Lot's of choices, all worked on our builds.

If your using direct drive motors, I would highly recommend using the specified tube. The extra mass on the thicker cross tube members is noticeable.

Sean
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Old Fri 13 February 2009, 07:50
Gerald D
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Cape Town
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Also, for a 1220mm [4 ft] Y-dimension, the bit of extra mass is less significant than on a 1830 [6ft] Y-dimension.
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Old Sun 06 September 2009, 20:54
MAC2009
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West ST Paul, MN
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tube thickness

I don't want to be the dope here(to late) but where is the thickness of the gantry spec in the plans.


MAC
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Old Sun 06 September 2009, 20:58
MAC2009
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West ST Paul, MN
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re. tube thickness

10 20 440 !!!!!
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Old Sun 06 September 2009, 22:07
Gerald D
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Cape Town
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The wall thickness is hidden away in these two places:

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Old Mon 12 October 2009, 16:31
bolingerbe
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Clinton(Tennessee)
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Cross Member Tube Length

I have become stuck on the cross member tube. Instead of using the normal steel I have used square tubing for the main beams and most of the formulas will not work. My overall outside main beam outside to outside length is 1952.625. I have looked throw the plans using the formula 1010300 to make sure of Y figure. The Y length is 1522.625mm using this formula. Now using the formula from 1020440S I have added 500mm to my Y length and have came up with 2022.625mm. When I cut the tube to length I have 25.4mm over hang on the outside of the x-rails. Is overhang length correct? I would like some input before welding the Gantry Frame.

Thanks, Bryan

Last edited by bolingerbe; Mon 12 October 2009 at 16:33.. Reason: forgot to add closing
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Old Mon 12 October 2009, 22:10
Gerald D
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Cape Town
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bolingerbe View Post
. . . When I cut the tube to length I have 25.4mm over hang on the outside of the x-rails. . . .
Are you sure you mean x-rails? (Not the beams?)
Is that overhang equal each side?
Is that overhang to the tip of the beam? (Inside the gantry it will be less)
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Old Mon 12 October 2009, 23:53
Gerald D
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Cape Town
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Have gotten to my drawings now . . .

Your rail should overhang the beam by about 21mm

The tube should overhang the beam by about 34mm and overhang the rail by 13mm
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Old Tue 13 October 2009, 12:52
bolingerbe
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Clinton(Tennessee)
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Cross Member Tube Length

Gerald thank you for your assistance.

Bryan
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Old Sun 18 October 2009, 17:14
oddname
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skane
Sweden
Im a bit confused on these tubes, why are tubes needed for this?

I was thinking about getting precisionwelded profiles that are 100x50x2-3mm
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Old Sun 18 October 2009, 23:58
Gerald D
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Cape Town
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What does a "precisionwelded profile" look like?
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Old Mon 19 October 2009, 06:29
oddname
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skane
Sweden
like a regular profile I'd say, just the non-rounded corners, and they are like super-awesome in precision

Is radius of the cornerns needed somehow? Since not many other parts have them
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Old Mon 19 October 2009, 08:49
Alan_c
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Cape Town (Western Cape)
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I think Frallen is refering to cold rolled steel tubing, greater precision and greater cost but no better strength wise than normal hot rolled steel and for this application the super awesome precision is overkill, but it will work.
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Old Mon 19 October 2009, 12:12
oddname
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skane
Sweden
So the "tubes" can be perfectly rectangular? or they need to be rounded?
Thats my main issue atm
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Old Mon 19 October 2009, 12:36
Gerald D
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Cape Town
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They do not need to be rounded. But you will then need to file out the inside corners of 1020451 and 1020452 where the tube corners will touch.
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Old Mon 19 October 2009, 13:56
oddname
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skane
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Ahh great, i can get rounded ones, but I thought it was more to it that what you just wrote. So its all clear now.
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Old Thu 10 December 2009, 21:02
Besser
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Vic
Australia
100x50 twist. Just got my steel and one tube is twisted slightly. Anyone experienced this before?
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Old Fri 11 December 2009, 08:16
aniljangra
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Delhi
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My tubes were twisted but as the assembly is done upside down, either the center or two edges of tube were parallel providing reference surface for rails when turned around, other small gap is filled up with shims. I think it wont matter but I had no option anyway. I'll post closeup pictures when I am home.
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Old Mon 14 December 2009, 20:22
Besser
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Vic
Australia
Any luck with those Pics? I'm thinking a sharp twist back may help my cause.
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