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  #31  
Old Sun 04 November 2007, 15:00
grandpi
Just call me: Pierre
 
Caussens
France
Control box at home.

hello guys, hello Gerald,

This is my control box from Techlf + Elte 1,1kw spindle(TMPE2 9/2 TWIN SHAFT Series) . : http://www.eltesrl.com/
I have met Laurent last friday at his workshop close to Carcassone who gave me a quick explanation concerning his own software, isa4D. A future version of isa4d in few month could be use on touchscreens computers ... with only big colored buttons for beginners as me.(no menus).

I see the motors turning !. It works.

First problem coming back at home making a test of the spindle on the z-axis plate : :The four axis holes of the Elte spindle body make a rectangle of 22mmx110mm to hold it. Have you got any ideas to hold it on the gauge plate ?? New holes ? Do i need a mounting bracket ??
Thank you.Pierre.
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  #32  
Old Sun 04 November 2007, 15:04
grandpi
Just call me: Pierre
 
Caussens
France
the spindle...

The photo...
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  #33  
Old Sun 04 November 2007, 18:50
IN-WondeR
Just call me: Kim
 
Randers
Denmark
How much did the elte spindle cost you.???
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  #34  
Old Sun 04 November 2007, 21:00
Gerald D
Just call me: Gerald (retired)
 
Cape Town
South Africa
Congratulations on getting the motors turning!

Drill holes right through the gauge plate and the 50x25 tube and put long screws from the back . . . . through the tube and through the gauge plate. Screws about 40mm long.

Check very carefully when putting the screws into the spindle - if they are too long they can make serious damage to the spindle.
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  #35  
Old Mon 05 November 2007, 05:15
grandpi
Just call me: Pierre
 
Caussens
France
Spindle cost

The Elte Spindle + VFD : 980 Euros without taxes trought Techlf Company.
You have a complete PDF board of my order concerning electronic parts few lines below.


Thanks Gerald for your answer.

Bye,

Pierre.
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  #36  
Old Mon 05 November 2007, 05:43
Gerald D
Just call me: Gerald (retired)
 
Cape Town
South Africa
The holes that I show on the drawing, 30mm from side-to-side, are correct for Fimec & HSD spindles. I did not think that other Italian companies use a different spacing.

How does the air flow through your control box? I do not see a filter on the fan?
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  #37  
Old Mon 05 November 2007, 12:05
grandpi
Just call me: Pierre
 
Caussens
France
Spindle holes problem ....

In fact Gerald, i confirm the 22mm x 110mm axis dimensions holes ... It is because my spindle is the "low power" of the Eltec range. Others have 30mm between holes...said Laurent Fouga.Damned !!

Bye.
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  #38  
Old Mon 05 November 2007, 13:15
Gerald D
Just call me: Gerald (retired)
 
Cape Town
South Africa
The screw holes at 22mm is no problem, just a little more work.

Did you see my question about the fan/filter?
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  #39  
Old Tue 06 November 2007, 05:01
grandpi
Just call me: Pierre
 
Caussens
France
fresh air in control box.

Gerald,

In his standard control box Laurent has just putting in place one fan to pull out hot air.
Do you think isn't enought ? I need a filter ?
It's true there is no fresh air entry !.

Bye,

Pierre.
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  #40  
Old Tue 06 November 2007, 07:17
Gerald D
Just call me: Gerald (retired)
 
Cape Town
South Africa
I am sorry to tell you this Pierre, but that is a very bad design. If you have hot air in a bottle, can you put your mouth over the one opening hole and suck out the hot air? Of course not. You need 2 holes if you want the air to move. While you suck out air, other air must enter to replace it.

Laurent might just add a second hole. . . . . . but then all the dust from the room comes in as well. (If you don't add the second hole, the dust comes in arround the switches/connectors/joints because you have a vacuum in the box.) A filter on the second hole still leaves a vacuum in the box when the filter gets dirty.

The fan must be turned over so that it blows into the box and creates a positive pressure. There must be a filter over the fan (on the outside). And there must be an exhaust hole.
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  #41  
Old Tue 06 November 2007, 08:45
grandpi
Just call me: Pierre
 
Caussens
France
Control box ventilation

Gerald,

Thank you for your explanation...
Ask to laurent (not a touchy guy i hope ) to answer you on my page.

Pierre.
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  #42  
Old Tue 06 November 2007, 09:03
Gerald D
Just call me: Gerald (retired)
 
Cape Town
South Africa
If Laurent is coming to visit us, I would also like to ask if he has good experience with the spindle's VFD controller inside the control box? Our experience is that they make electrical noise unless you have some special precautions.
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  #43  
Old Tue 06 November 2007, 09:16
TECHLF
Just call me: Laurent
 
Toulouse
France
I gerald,

we have a hole with a filter on the bottom right side of the box, not drilled on this box ,we forget it !
For the VFD, we use no special precautions, exept for wiring, and 2 filtres on the 220V to reduce the noise. The digital ground and the earth are separeted. USB is not affected by the noise.

Laurent
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  #44  
Old Tue 06 November 2007, 09:34
Gerald D
Just call me: Gerald (retired)
 
Cape Town
South Africa
Hi Laurent. Okay, we all make mistakes.

I forgot you are using USB and not Parallel (saw the USB cable, but thought that was for 5V supply). If the USB is okay with that VFD being right inside the box, then that is another reason we must move away from the parallel port system in the future.
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  #45  
Old Sun 20 January 2008, 17:56
grandpi
Just call me: Pierre
 
Caussens
France
Time to go back... the final stage.

hello Gerald, Hello Guys,

Just have finished the Mechmate "building"during christmas (16mx4,5m with sygma design galvanized steel plates system). It will become my office too !!... I had some problems on the mechmate because it slept outdoor :

- Rollers full of rust : need to sandpaper
- Rails too : utilisation of Dremel tools.
- Solve problem with new spindle holes on the gauge plate : standard ones doesn't work.
- Finally, i have made the choice of using the Mamba cable chain solution ( 2 cables chain).

A lot of work to make it beautiful again.
I feel it the last step... just few weeks before the blue "grey" beast wake up!.

Bye,

Pierre.
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  #46  
Old Sun 20 January 2008, 23:41
Gerald D
Just call me: Gerald (retired)
 
Cape Town
South Africa
Ah, I see it also has the parking for Gaspard's car.
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  #47  
Old Sun 17 February 2008, 14:18
grandpi
Just call me: Pierre
 
Caussens
France
Mechmate alive... but with difficulties !!

Hello Gerald, Hello Guys,

Todays was the first steps (moves not cuts) of my mechmate !!.
Z moves ok, Y too. But on XX' the two motors went on opposite way !! so the mechmate went out of his rails !!. Wiring problems i suppose ?. I will have an answer from Laurent from Techlf during the week.
The interface of the new version of Isa4d (V2.1) is very cool.... Have a look.
Photos and videos during the weeks ...

Bye,

Pierre.
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  #48  
Old Sun 17 February 2008, 19:10
smreish
Just call me: Sean - #5, 28, 58 and others
 
Orlando, Florida
United States of America
Great news!
you should be able to reverse the direction of the x motors in your software and not have to rewire. I know this is the case with Mach. Congratulations on your first move!
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  #49  
Old Sun 17 February 2008, 19:37
Greg J
Just call me: Greg #13
 
Hagerman, New Mexico
United States of America
Pierre,

Congrats. Looking forward to the pictures.
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  #50  
Old Sun 17 February 2008, 21:11
Doug_Ford
Just call me: Doug #3
 
Conway (Arkansas)
United States of America
ALRIGHT Buddy!!! That's great.
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  #51  
Old Sun 17 February 2008, 23:03
Gerald D
Just call me: Gerald (retired)
 
Cape Town
South Africa
To change the direction of a motor, the easiest is to reverse ONE coil. (Do not reverse both coils). For your drive, you can swop EITHER the red & blue (terminals 1 and 2), OR you can swop the black & green (terminals 3 and 4).


I prefer to change it in the hard-wiring. Sometimes a software upgrade does not catch all the old settings.
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  #52  
Old Mon 18 February 2008, 08:30
grandpi
Just call me: Pierre
 
Caussens
France
Thank you for your advice Gerald.
Thank you all for your comments !!

Pierre.
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  #53  
Old Thu 28 February 2008, 01:59
grandpi
Just call me: Pierre
 
Caussens
France
First video ....

This is the first steps ....
I realize there is a lot of work now to make it work well before cutting .... construction was the easy step !!.(Important information for beginners as me).

Gerald,

I'm going to need help to find the right speed/right resolution/ etc ....from isa4d menu. I will post questions in fews days.

Bye,

Pierre

Video is in dailymotion website, "grandpivideo" in search tool.

This link seems to work:
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance...echmate-1_tech
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  #54  
Old Thu 28 February 2008, 04:35
Gerald D
Just call me: Gerald (retired)
 
Cape Town
South Africa
Good to see movement in France!
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  #55  
Old Thu 28 February 2008, 05:12
grandpi
Just call me: Pierre
 
Caussens
France
Just want to precise, in my last reply : " construction was the easy step" because of the greats plans and solutions of Gerald of course. !!!
Pierre.
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  #56  
Old Thu 28 February 2008, 06:28
smreish
Just call me: Sean - #5, 28, 58 and others
 
Orlando, Florida
United States of America
Pierre,
Truly great work! She seems to move nicely. You seem to get VERY good speed out of those drives - jogs are very quick. Bravo.
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  #57  
Old Thu 28 February 2008, 07:07
Greg J
Just call me: Greg #13
 
Hagerman, New Mexico
United States of America
Pierre,

That's great!! You might be cutting wood before me.

I finally figured out posting photo's, now video. This MM project is sure pushing my limits further.
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  #58  
Old Thu 28 February 2008, 07:45
grandpi
Just call me: Pierre
 
Caussens
France
New material to cut .... (Not an advert Gerald !.)

Thank's for all your comments...

I would like to share this info concerning a nice new material for cnc cutting, the Maplex : " ...A beautiful sustainable alternative to wood, composites, metal and plastics, Maplex is both strong and bendable, making it an ideal material for interiors, furniture and consumer products. It consists of 100 percent natural, unbleached wood fibres sourced from sustainably managed forests and is manufactured using nothing but water, pressure and heat.
There are two types of Maplex:
Use Maplex C (contour) for maximum bending and forming. Use Maplex P (performance) for maximum stability and strength. This material has twice the bending strength and tensile strength of birch plywood.
Maplex is manufactured in a range of thicknesses from approximately 1mm to 8mm. The manufactured sheet size is approximately 1.6m x 3.15m.
The 1mm board can be laser-cut with fantastically clean, precise results and also works perfectly using hand or machine tools. It is the perfect medium for general purpose modelling, lightweight constructional work or 'wood engineering'. The material is uncoated but may be finished using your choice of paints, stains, varnishes, waxes or veneers.
1mm Maplex P - sheet size 500mm x 750mm.
(The sheet is supplied rough sawn but oversized).
..."


At this moment their website is not working (yersterday it was ok : http://www.maplexmaterial.com/) but you can see it at :

- http://www.mutr.co.uk/catalog/produc...oducts_id=1422
- http://www.weidmann-creative.com/dow...guidelines.pdf

Tell me what you think about it, i dream of cutting it with the Mechmate.

Bye,

Pierre.

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  #59  
Old Thu 28 February 2008, 10:56
sailfl
Just call me: Nils #12
 
Winter Park, FL
United States of America
Pierre,

I called the 800 number in the USA and found out that the company in the USA has had to stop manufacturing the product because the other line they manufacture requires the full use of the board machine that makes the Maplex. I was told that their parent company in Switzerland is adding a machine for production outside of USA.

It is too bad because it looks like a nice product for CNC work.

Thanks for information.
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  #60  
Old Thu 28 February 2008, 19:23
Doug_Ford
Just call me: Doug #3
 
Conway (Arkansas)
United States of America
Congrats Pierre. Looking good partner.
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