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Sherman McCoy Tue 27 May 2014 20:32

No worries. I'm just trying to make some sawdust before I have to get a job again and move things back into storage for another 4 years.

I've clearly made an error on my jumpers. I saw one of Gerald's threadshttp://www.mechmate.com/forums/showt...p?t=346&page=4 on jumper settings and he clearly indicates that for Gecko 203V's I need to move JP1 down so I can jump 2 to 3(pin2-9 to gnd), which makes sense since I already have juice from the PSU. I ignored the footnote and mistakenly followed the image in the thread which is only for 202's.

Sherman McCoy Thu 29 May 2014 09:04

Thank God for PMDX customer support!
 
I got a quick response from PMDX support regarding the proper pinout for the router.

"You can connect either the pin 14 or pin 16 logic signal output to the "+"
terminal of the SSR and GND to the "-" of the SSR."


So J8 it is! I'm moving the ball down the field!

Sherman McCoy Thu 29 May 2014 15:22

Going Blind looking at Circuit Diagrams
 
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This is what It looks like so far. My concern now is that I need some more adroitly placed fuses although I'm not sure where. I'm also a little scared about grounding after reading the Power Mains thread in the Archives. If anybody sees obvious flaws, please let me know.

Tokamak Thu 29 May 2014 16:00

Krasch,

Your router more that likely has 2 wires coming out of it. One is Hot (L1) and one is Neutral (Ret). You show one wire from the SSR and one wire to ground. NOT correct. The SSR supplies the power to the router and the other wire returns to the Neutral to complete the circuit.

John

pblackburn Thu 29 May 2014 16:25

The image is a little hard on the eyes?

Fusing is up to the builder and designer

This appears to be 120VAC wiring based on the connection of the power supply connections.

The color of the wiring diagram should follow NEC and NFPA color standards.

A start stop station is preferred to engage a main line contactor but is not required. It removes the arcing from the disconnect switch and puts it to the contactor tips where it is preferred to happen.

You should have a fuse block between the disconnect and your contactor.

The contactor you have looks like a 16A IEC contactor. The contact tips on an IEC are really small. If you have problems later on with excess current draw from arcing on the contact tips and an increase in heat on the tips (over 90C), purchase a CU40 to replace it. It will drastically improve the life of the contactor.

If you fuse before any transformer, make sure it is a time delay supplemental fuse not an instant acting as the inrush to the transformer will blow the instant acting fuses.

A fuse for the DC supply to the drives before the drive distribution block. I would not recommend fusing before the individual drives but if you do, fuse each Axis not each Drive. One for X and B, one for Y and one for Z. DC will tend to pull down when problems occur. Shorting can occur and take out the fuse but it is rare. Most machines I have worked on only fuse the DC output and not the individual branch circuits.

A fuse or supplemental circuit breaker for the router would be a nice addition to stop a dead short from tripping your mains.

The router should be a 3 wire device. Where is the neutral?

Sherman McCoy Thu 29 May 2014 23:49

Wow! Thanks Pete and John for the response. I'll get on those suggestions. I plain forgot to draw the Neutral wire from the router to the contactor. I'll update things and see if I can improve the drawing for clarity for a final evaluation.

Sherman McCoy Sun 08 June 2014 18:25

Well, that was fun.
 
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I finally gathered the courage to throw the switch on my router control panel and smoke immediately started flowing from the area where the green wires(arrow in photo) connect to the rectifier. I'm assuming I will need a new PSU, but am not exactly sure why this happened.

pblackburn Sun 08 June 2014 18:38

Trapping the smoke can be difficult....

This is a 120V connected power supply?

pblackburn Sun 08 June 2014 18:42

A good rule of thumb on wiring. Don't wire everything up and test all at one time but rather do in sections.

dbinokc Sun 08 June 2014 20:08

It is a good idea to to verify all voltages with a multimeter before hooking up anything to a power supply for the first time. There is no way of knowing what could be there until it is verified with a multimeter.

A new PSU may not be necessary. However you may need to replace the bridge rectifier. The big power supply is a pretty basic. Just a transformer, bridge rectifier and filtering caps.

Tokamak Sun 08 June 2014 20:19

Do you have a volt meter? It's probably not that bad. Don't see any wires that turned crispy.
There is a rectifier under the area you are pointing to. If you had a short down stream the rectifier will act like a fuse and burn out (smoke). The blocks for your red wires and black wires (for gecko power) are butted right against each other. The buss bars you screwed into the top could touch each other. I put a spacer between mine just to be safe.

Get a volt/ohm meter and we can check some things. Free Harbor Freight one is plenty good.

Fox Mon 09 June 2014 13:00

Quote:
A good rule of thumb on wiring. Don't wire everything up and test all at one time but rather do in sections.
That does not get enough mention for newbies imo. Too many first time electricians wire everything like on the forum and flip the switch hoping for the best.
I know this is no help to you now, but since a lot of money goes into the electric part of an MM what I did is wire everything, then take it apart, as in, unscrew the vital connections, and really go step by step ( first PSU wiring triple check, then power up - test voltage, on to the next. I catched 2 very stupid mistakes ( very unnecessary basic ones - caused by wire mismatching ) while I was 100% sure I wired everything correctly, which could have cost me a drive and a fried input/cpu. Especially since you probably won't wire everything up in one day, mistakes like this can happen quickly when you are working on and off on (electrical) projects. I always doubt myself nowadays, and it has saved me lot's of money ( but costed me even more before when I was too sure of myself ).

Anyways
For your situ, go fault finding step by step. It makes things more comprehensible, especially when you're on unfamiliar territory. So unscrew/disconnect vital functions and do as above. Start with checking the PSU wiring, while it's disconnected, and when you're pretty sure power it and test the voltage, everything ok, next part of the circuit (rectifier etc etc).The culprit will be isolated and show itself before you can do more damage.

Sherman McCoy Mon 09 June 2014 13:02

Hi John. Thanks for the response. I just bought a voltmeter, and have disconnected the outbound DC wires. I have installed spacers between contact blocks for the AC going into the transformer. I just switched on the power again, and I get smoke right at the base of the contact block above the rectifier.

I have ordered a new rectifier module from Antek. The only thing I can think of to check is the AC going into the transformer after I disconnect it. I do have single wires from the contactor jumpered to each pair of transformer leads with a contact block.

Tokamak Mon 09 June 2014 14:17

You need to slow down a little. We weren't ready to turn on power again. We need to understand what went wrong with the initial turn on. Once the Rectifier is smoking it can continue to smoke until it is replaced even though you disconnected the initial short.

Unplug the power for now and leave it disconnected. At least until we make some measurements.

You have disconnected the DC Output of the power supply going to the Geckos. Set your meter to Ohms and connect the leads to the 2 wires you disconnected from the power supply. You will be seeing what the power supply saw. Let me know what you read.

When you get the new rectifier, mark all the wires connected to the old one and take a picture. You need to be positive that you connect the new one without crossing a wire. If you do it wrong you will have two problems and nothing will make sense.

pblackburn Mon 09 June 2014 16:30

Could you possibly show a closer view of the problem area and the bottom of the board?

Sherman McCoy Thu 19 June 2014 06:30

Problem solved
 
Thanks guys for suggesting the multimeter. I had a friend check my work and he verified I fried my rectifier. Good thing I had a new Antek regulator Fed-Xed. We installed that, rerouted the 12v power so that it was rectified too(his suggestion), checked resistance on all the connections, and hooked up a variable power supply(24v .75amp) to test things under a load that wouldn't fry anything. We found a dead short in the terminal blocks for the power to the Gecko's. All it took was a spacer to solve the problem, and then, "Bob's your uncle!"

I hooked up the PC and ran the setup for EMC2. I got an error message, so I think I'll upgrade to a newer version using the latest Ubuntu LTS version and the newer EMC that works with that. If that doesn't work, I guess I'll have to swap in a WIN7 machine and Mach - Oh how I hate Windows! The only nice part is my friends industrial automation company uses it, so I'll have plenty of in-person support.

I'm a lot closer to making dust. Just need to connect the motors and tidy up a few items, and I'll be good to go.

IMMark Thu 19 June 2014 12:18

Glad you found your problem. I can relate to your Windows "issues", I have been pulling my hair out over an Asus laptop running 8.1 (which I HATE). But can't seem to get Win 7 to install, they make it very difficult!
Sorry for the rant :o
Best of luck on the rest of the build...sounds like you are close!
Mark

pblackburn Thu 19 June 2014 14:31

I hated Win8 but have found a new found love for it once I accepted it was a new direction. I don't know how Mach would run on it but I know it will run on Win7.

domino11 Thu 19 June 2014 14:37

I know it is a new direction, but I cannot help but feel the direction is leading me off of a cliff! :)

pblackburn Thu 19 June 2014 14:40

Trust me, I understand.

IamDave Wed 21 March 2018 05:40

I am thinking, this is not considered a relevant thread---I am also thinking here I am using an angle grinder, an old 20 dollar drill press a welder I got cheap, and had to learn to use, and what hand tools I have on hand. I am almost there.


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