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Mrayhursh Wed 06 November 2013 07:48

Micarta, Alternate Material Source
 
I was wondering after seeing all the you tube videos on micarta if this technique could be used to replace aluminum or plastic pieces where source materials were not available. Micarta is polyester resin soaked cloth and or paper. The stuff was used back in the 1930s to made radio housing and car parts and knife handles. The cloth/paper can be cut to size then treated and then trimmed. If you use various colors the finished parts can be quite beautiful.

KenC Wed 06 November 2013 10:33

Are you referring to Bakelite?
It doesn't has the best of structural strength. no way it can "replace" aluminum. it does has good dielectric characteristics & reasonable heat resistance.
They are expensive.

Zouave Wed 06 November 2013 10:45

No, this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micarta

Alan_c Wed 06 November 2013 13:42

Also this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tufnol

Bakelite was a forerunner using wood flour. I used the above to make my reduction belt drives in the place of Aluminium, has held up well over the last 3 or 4 years. There are two types: paper based for use only as an insulator and fiber based which has more mechanical properties.

Mrayhursh Wed 06 November 2013 15:54

Cool
 
Alan thanks do you have any pictures of the process or end products.

Mrayhursh Wed 06 November 2013 16:02

Check out You Tube
 
The stuff I see at the gun shows is really tuff. The people pushing this as a replacement for wood/plastic handles on their equipment are the survivalist type.

Mrayhursh Wed 06 November 2013 16:13

Look at this
 
I was looking at this post and the member Paulus (spelling) was using a laminate material.
http://www.mechmate.com/forums/showt...?t=4149&page=2

KenC Wed 06 November 2013 20:23

I always thought that bakelite (tufnol...etc), or/and paper/fiber resin board were replaced by modern plastic. Also, Aluminum has tens of times strength:weight ratio.
Surely if one can re-design the parts for such weak material.

Mrayhursh Wed 06 November 2013 20:53

Bakelite NO, Micarta YES
 
Bakelite was used as an early plastic. If you ever worked on bakelite electronics it smell like sulfur when it burns. Micarta uses modern day polyester resins either one to one or with MEKP catalyst. If used with fiberglass it is call fiberglass and used to make cars and boat. Here is a question for you. what little old chubby dude made the equipment that bonds all new Corvettes together. Yep, me. Did you know Chevy doesn't make fenders, hoods for Corvettes. They are made right along International and Mack truck parts. Except for the first couple years Corvette are made from SMC(sheet molding Compound. So replace fiberglass with colorful cloth and or paper and you made.

http://i1296.photobucket.com/albums/...ps73e21522.jpg

KenC Wed 06 November 2013 21:22

I use Bakelite or the modern resin impregnated fabric for high current/heat electrical insulation on stick welders, generators & other electrical terminations, smell like crap when they get burnt. local tradesman call them "electrical wood". & these tradesman won't pay a single extra cent for colorful thingy. :(

Who still make their own parts nowadays :) Out sourcing is the key to laying off workers :(

IMHO, bumpers/fenders for vehicles are suppose to destroy itself when impact, if it doesn't, the people in the car will. Fiberglass composite works wonderfully in this aspect, along with other composite materials.

French drivers has an old saying, "the bumper is there for a purpose" :)

Alan_c Wed 06 November 2013 22:57

see here: http://www.mechmate.com/forums/showt...&postcount=317 for my build of my belt reduction drives.

lonestaral Thu 07 November 2013 04:26

Sexy clamps Alan C:D

Tom Ayres Sun 17 November 2013 17:58

Is that why most french cars are ugly?:confused:

Mrayhursh Sun 17 November 2013 23:55

they thought the Eiffel tower was ugly and wanted to tear it down. lets see hairy women, ugly cars, pour financial decisions yep that is France. Next country to go belly up.

Mrayhursh Mon 18 November 2013 20:23

Harmonic Dampener, I was watching this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFbCHpvFaZM He had mounted a harmonic dampener on his stepper motor. Does anyone know anything about using these to quiet the machine.

KenC Tue 19 November 2013 03:55

Hurshy, I actually enjoy the stepper motor sound, its music to my ears. ;)
BTW, once you start cutting, the motor sound is your least concern. The noise which I'm most concern are 1) dust collector fan, 2) vacuum table fan.


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