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smreish Tue 05 May 2009 12:40

The second MM was easy, but the building's electrics were noisy #28 - Orlando, FL
 
Hello all.
Well, a good friend up the road (TIM) has a construction company and has found themselves in the need for a CNC machine for various uses. Being fairly experienced in building the MM, I was able to convince them this was the machine for them.

I have agreed to "mentor" them in their build process and will be tending to the forum duties for Tim along with fairly frequent shop visit's to check on build/fabrication process.

This being my 3rd build to date - I hope to have some fun! Plus with Nils and my existing table as reference it should go a little easier and quicker this time.

The specific's based on their needs:
5' x 10' table
3 axis
2.2 kw spindle
pmdx 122
56V transformer with 12 & 5 volt taps
gecko 203v drives
7,2 Geared OM motors
(the same powertrain and control box as my #5 and Nils Machine)


The component ordering started yesterday along with cutting steel. This should be a quick build as long as all the parts get here in quick fashion.

Sean #5

domino11 Tue 05 May 2009 12:42

Sean,
Do you ever sleep? :)

smreish Tue 05 May 2009 12:44

Sleep? With my 1 and 3 year old's running around the house I am awake anyway. So why not make use of that awake time! :D

smreish Tue 05 May 2009 17:53

Started fabrication
 
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...A quick start today. All the main table steel cut. The Main beams will get back cut tomorrow.

All the holes in the cross members drilled.

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domino11 Fri 15 May 2009 13:40

Sean,
Saw your post about your new spindle being ordered. Let us know what model you got and pros and cons versus the porter cable router you are using now. Is that for this new table or your older one? :)

smreish Fri 15 May 2009 13:49

New Table....old table just fine and happy with a router.
Specs on the new spindle:

Columbo RV73/2 3HP Package (50ft Cables), Hitachi Drive
With 10% Discount (thank you for honoring your April Special price)
Free shipping in the United States

Power requirements: 115VAC/25A or 220VAC/20A

smreish Tue 19 May 2009 11:03

...Cutting down rails yesterday and today. Gosh, I forgot what fun (& messy) it really is :)

Piece of cake 2nd time around!

Oh yeah - table standing on it's own feet.

cncb Wed 20 May 2009 09:44

bet that columbo spindle cost as much as almost the entire machine :D any idea what the price tag was on it?

smreish Thu 21 May 2009 17:05

Brian,
Actually, Blurry Customs (you can find them in the Market place section of this forum) is running a package special.
For about 2300$, You get a complete 3HP spindle, drive, collet, wrench and Cable package. Best price I have found to date. Plus, very timely customer service and phone help thus far.

cncb Sun 24 May 2009 17:05

you said "drive".. so this includes a vfd? that's a fantastic price!

smreish Mon 25 May 2009 06:43

...and according to UPS, should be here this Wednesday!

cncb Tue 26 May 2009 04:32

lucckyy :cool:

smreish Mon 01 June 2009 14:24

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New spindle is here! ...and to my surprise, it came with the Delta VFD and not the hitachi.....Thanks Blurry Customs.
Sean
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blurrycustoms Mon 01 June 2009 14:28

Quote:
Originally Posted by smreish View Post
New spindle is here! ...and to my surprise, it came with the Delta VFD and not the hitachi.....Thanks Blurry Customs.
Sean
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Looks great, enjoy. We are looking forward to seeing it on the machine.

BTW, I thought we had mentioned the upgrade to the Delta. If it's an issue, please let us know, and we'll make it right. Otherwise, enjoy that sensorless vector control on the Delta.

smreish Mon 01 June 2009 14:31

Alex,
We talked about it and I forgot I said yes! It's perfectly fine...I prefer the Delta. The difference in cost was minimal for a drive I prefer.

Regards,
Sean

sailfl Mon 01 June 2009 14:37

Sean,

Nice. I am eager to see it on the new machine and see it in operation.

Gerald D Mon 01 June 2009 20:41

How is the thermistor handled with the Delta drive?

smreish Tue 02 June 2009 06:08

Well, now you have me making some phone calls. I know how it was handled on the Hitachi. I will have to look into it. As you are well aware, the delta VFD-b series in the 2007 < vintage drives handled it fairly oddly. The addition of a series relay may be in order if the RV series Colombo spindle has an accommodation for it. I'll get back to you after some homework.

smreish Tue 02 June 2009 06:36

Okay, some answers after talking with the spindle engineer at PDS.
The Internal Thermistor coupler on the Columbo Spindle (yep, has one) is connected to the Delta VFD via terminals DCM and M14. This is designed to fault the drive and initiate a shutdown at 110C. (or roughly 45 degrees F above ambient) Anyone of the Aux contacts can be used an output to trigger another stop. An extra relay and wire it in series with the e-stop circuit to the pmdx or interupt is the ticket. {good thing I have plenty of extra little PCB relays I am using for the proximity circuit for the additional dry contact}

The current Delta VFD has some significant upgrades and changes since the 2008 model year.

I think this answers your question Gerald.

Gerald D Tue 02 June 2009 07:26

Sean, it is this discussion that got me kicked out of the ShopBot community:

http://www.talkshopbot.com/forum/mes...html#POST41164

followed by:

http://www.talkshopbot.com/forum/mes...tml?1160501868

and shortly after that they went to Yaskawa drives.

I am still not convinced that the Delta VFD is designed for taking a thermistor over DCM and MI4.

sailfl Tue 02 June 2009 08:03

Gerald,

Interesting. Didn't your Mother tell you not to question authority figures?

smreish Tue 02 June 2009 08:04

I recall that conversation between you and Eric back in 2007.
I will look further into this - I haven't done anything except open the shipping box.

I use Delta series drives frequently in my line of work for standard machine automation and control, but never for the spindle.

....more to follow.

smreish Tue 16 June 2009 17:52

Almost done - again
 
Interesting.
I uploaded pictures during lunch today and now I can't find any portion of the thread. Well, Anyway. I am almost done with Machine #2. Just wiring the last bits up. Hopefully, I will be cutting before the weekend is over.

smreish Tue 16 June 2009 18:29

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domino11 Tue 16 June 2009 22:08

Sean,
That is some great progress. I really like your control wiring, looks real professional. :)

Gerald D Wed 17 June 2009 02:15

I am nervous of those tightly bundled parallel wires, unless they are screened. Is your first control box also like that?

javeria Wed 17 June 2009 03:12

Sean - you do it so fast - it takes the excitement out of the build :D LOL

smreish Wed 17 June 2009 08:01

Gerald,
Of course you noticed that! I caught that after I took the picture home last week!

I already gave the shop the note to fix the routing of wires in the panel.

I think it's already been fixed. I haven't looked in the cabinet since last week.

Sean

domino11 Wed 17 June 2009 08:57

OOps,
Yup Gerald is right, very neat but not shielded. That will teach me to comment after midnight.:o

smreish Wed 17 June 2009 13:48

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more photo's of wiring fun
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